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My little sister's use of ChatGPT for homework is heartbreaking

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Re: My little sister's use of ChatGPT for homework is heartbreaking

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At some point we have to stop reaching for these lazy "it's like a past change" quips. Not just regarding LLMs, but everything of the format "people who criticize the new thing are all luddites/fogies". X may in fact be like Y. But make the argument - don't just sarcastically imply it.

If someone's argument is solely an analogy, it has zero value

Re: My little sister's use of ChatGPT for homework is heartbreaking

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A calculator can be trusted to give you the right answer if you punch in the numbers correctly. An LLM cannot. That's because a calculator is designed to give the right answer. An LLM is not. It's only designed to produce text that seems plausible based on the prompt. "Plausible" is not the same as "trustworthy".

To play the devils advocate, on some calculators 9+3x2=24

Re: My little sister's use of ChatGPT for homework is heartbreaking

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> She asks him to make it shorter and even when chatgpt makes the answer litterally 1 SENTENCE she still asks him to make it shorter making it a 1st grade 7 word sentence and copies it without understanding it or understanding the poem or even reading it.

Even children are figuring out that iterative prompt engineering is super effective. For maybe not the right reasons, but still.

Re: My little sister's use of ChatGPT for homework is heartbreaking

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Back in high school we used to just copy and paste stuff from a Microsoft encarta cdrom into word, print it out and hand it in. Somehow I managed to go on to have a successful career in software making vastly more money than my parents or those around me.

The only real thing that would bug me is LLM’s are professional bullshitters. They are a super compressed store of knowledge that doesn’t know its own boundaries and will happily spout out perfectly written nonsense. At least encarta has effort put into making sure it is factually correct… it wasn’t compressed knowledge.

Granted it wasn’t when I was 11, but still. Not sure my point proves anything but it’s a point, damn it.

Re: My little sister's use of ChatGPT for homework is heartbreaking

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There's some grim humor in the fact that the poster reflects on his sister's use of chatgpt, and just ends on that point. I have to wonder if he decided to talk to her or his parents about the situation. I didn't see anything in the post to suggest it, just a "this next generation is cooked." Who cooked them is the question? Children won't raise themselves generally.

I'm not saying that presented scenario in that post is not real, but since it is popular post on Reddit, there is huge chance, that it is just rage-bait.

Re: My little sister's use of ChatGPT for homework is heartbreaking

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I mean, it's still a valid argument, isn't it? If an 11 year old kid can't answer the question "how many hours are there in 1 day and 7 hours" without a calculator, that's a bad thing. But even adapting the plain english question into something that they can enter into a calculator might soon become too difficult for the ChatGPT generation.

Re: My little sister's use of ChatGPT for homework is heartbreaking

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A calculator can be trusted to give you the right answer if you punch in the numbers correctly. An LLM cannot. That's because a calculator is designed to give the right answer. An LLM is not. It's only designed to produce text that seems plausible based on the prompt. "Plausible" is not the same as "trustworthy".

I don’t think things would be different if the LLM gave answers that were 100% reliable and correct, it would still be sad that the kid is having someone else do their homework for them with no effort on their part. What you say is true but irrelevant.

The real difference is that calculation isn’t the important part of math above a certain level.

Re: My little sister's use of ChatGPT for homework is heartbreaking

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post #12

There's some grim humor in the fact that the poster reflects on his sister's use of chatgpt, and just ends on that point. I have to wonder if he decided to talk to her or his parents about the situation. I didn't see anything in the post to suggest it, just a "this next generation is cooked." Who cooked them is the question? Children won't raise themselves generally.

It makes me think this whole article is maybe just rage bait.
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