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In my life, I've witnessed three elite salespeople at work

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Re: In my life, I've witnessed three elite salespeople at work

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Telemarketing is mostly just sleazy upselling. And the _sleazy_ feeling is why most people avoid selling and salesmen, but it might just be sleazy from your perpsective.

The best salesman I ever met was peddling boat tour tickets. He wore the same suit and flip-flops every day, visibly messy, like he never heard about ironing even as a concept.

On a first look, you'd probably guess he was either a down on his luck businessman or a drunkard, but if you spent 5 minutes observing him sell, you'd think he fits the definition of a sleazy salesman.

Yet damn, that man could sell. Even the customers that ignored everyone would fall for his traps. He did this long enough that he recognised the type of customer almost immediately and could just "vibe shift" to their vibes.

From "Hey guys, you look hungry, have you had lunch yet?" to just "Hey, welcome!" - he'd slowly reel them in and either he'd hook them now, or redirect them to a restaurant/bar/shop he had an affiliate deal with and get some commission.

While none of the things he was peddling were bad, from the local perspective it felt like he was scamming these people and they were poor innocent tourists. But after a few talks with him, figured out it wasn't like that at all - his trick was he'd make them feel like they "know an insider", someone who can recommend them to good stuff and not "touristy" stuff.

And he would be that guy for them - he'd get them local wine, local honey, oils, meats, anything. He'd set them up a dinner or help them rent a car. He'd call up boat owners and get them private cruises. Basically, he'd be their "concierge". The boat tours were just a way to hook new customers in, and he'd both be getting a kickback from the owners and a tip from the customers. He'd basically be making everyone happy, making the tourists experience amazing and bringing a lot of money to small local businesses, while earning a nice comission in the process. Even tho I've later worked with everyone from door-to-dooor all the way to high ranking MAG7 salesbros, this one was the least sleazy of them all.

Unfortunately, the man was a heavy gambler, which would mean he'd lose all his money quite fast and be extra motivated to work again.

Re: In my life, I've witnessed three elite salespeople at work

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It's interesting how this phenomenon is completely nonexistent in Europe. On none of my EU phone numbers, in 15 years, i have ever received a telemarketing call apart from about 1-2 calls a year from phone company itself who usually tries to push some new tariff plan on me. Why?

Not sure where the why belongs, but some EU countries have rather strict rules about what you can sell when call without prior approval, e.g. newspapers only in Denmark.

As to why the phone company call: Because they need you to approve the move to a new plan. At least previously, when contracts where 12 months, forcing customers to a new plan would immediately release the customer allowing then you move their number to a competitor. Given that most contracts now are just month to month, if that, it's only expedite the porting of contracts. My old employer, a telco, wanted my grandfather to move from a landline and a basically free service, to a cell phone and a contract where they could actually make a profit on him. It took them years and a pretty large (temporary) discounts to get him (and others obviously) to move his number, so they could shutdown their landline service.

Telcos hate losing customers for two reasons. Firstly it takes over a year to turn a profit on a customer, if you factor in cost of acquiring the customer. Secondly, the different phone companies meet up a few times a year and compare number and figure out how much each should pay to have the other companies customers call their customers. If you have the most customer, you get the most money. (Not sure how this works across the global).

Re: In my life, I've witnessed three elite salespeople at work

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> I know a good salesman when I see one. I was, briefly, the No. 1 telemarketer in the United States. Oh neat, how? > Unlike many of my less successful colleagues, I quickly learned to take yes for an answer; though we were legally required to read a long list of mandatory disclosures to all our sales, I noticed that this often broke the spell and gave people an opening to back out or “wait and ask the wife about it.…

It's amazing how often "illegally" is the American Way. I only wish it were a joke.

This whole thing feels like drawing blood from stone. If your company/industry is abusive and miserly, you can go above and beyond and still make a pittance. If you put in the effort, the years, whatever, what you could get is a token recogniton of your efforts like raising your wages from minimum wage to 30% above that.

Poverty, scarcity and desperation drives people to evil. If you work a stable job for a respectable wage for an industry that makes money, and is willing to share said money with you, all this stuff sounds strange to you.

All the machiavellian scheming and power games that take place in a call center on the shift manager level might only show up close to C-level in an IT company, as its only there that the opportunities grow scarce enough, and the people desperate enough that these darwinian environments arise.

Re: In my life, I've witnessed three elite salespeople at work

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> I know a good salesman when I see one. I was, briefly, the No. 1 telemarketer in the United States. Oh neat, how? > Unlike many of my less successful colleagues, I quickly learned to take yes for an answer; though we were legally required to read a long list of mandatory disclosures to all our sales, I noticed that this often broke the spell and gave people an opening to back out or “wait and ask the wife about it.…

Articles like this are valued not based on how noble is the protagonist but based on how truthful is the account. The latter is of course not granted either but I would be even less inclined to believe a story of an airtight telemarketer. In general I think it's very easy to _not understand_ people i.e. "how could you". The interesting part for me is when I do understand: "oh this is how". From that perspective I enj…

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Re: In my life, I've witnessed three elite salespeople at work

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It's amazing how often "illegally" is the American Way. I only wish it were a joke.

Americans surely do love to make things illegal.

US consumer protection law is actually fairly feeble compared to, say, the EU equivalents, generally (for a particularly dramatic example see treatment of EULAs and similar). The US does seem keen on making regulations terribly _complex_, but not particularly strong.

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To reward positive stories that include crime, just because other people "might also be doing it" is ehhh. That's literally what criminals tell themselves, that everyone else does it. For a liar and a cheater, it's basic modus operandi to tell you some of their lies to give themselves a veneer of honesty. Agree with you in some sense, it is what it is, but why trust anything else they say to "rescue the story"? That'…

Is it not that we grant that person no reward, and instead take from their story lessons to our benefit? The little in the story that speaks about the author, is necessary as a vehicle to narrate the experience. The crux of the story is sales, and how it worked. The core point was the dehumanization, as well as the people who are the most effective in this era. Also, I can appreciate someones shoes, while acknowlding…

Yes, if people are being crooks I'd rather know about it than to believe everyone has the same ethical code as myself.

Re: In my life, I've witnessed three elite salespeople at work

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> I know a good salesman when I see one. I was, briefly, the No. 1 telemarketer in the United States. Oh neat, how? > Unlike many of my less successful colleagues, I quickly learned to take yes for an answer; though we were legally required to read a long list of mandatory disclosures to all our sales, I noticed that this often broke the spell and gave people an opening to back out or “wait and ask the wife about it.…

This is why sales is such a difficult medium to respect even if it's clearly a craft. There's a dance but no music.

tbf, this is to sales what "I developed a shell script that automatically appends extended comments and now I'm the highest line-of-code outputting developer in my cheap IT outsourcing company" is to software development....

Re: In my life, I've witnessed three elite salespeople at work

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"Behind every great fortune lies a great crime"

Or to translate a dutch expression, "whoever does not steal or inherit will work until they die" (it rhymes in dutch).

The owning class wants no competitors. The only way to get there is to break the rules that those who got there before create and enforce.
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