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In my life, I've witnessed three elite salespeople at work

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Re: In my life, I've witnessed three elite salespeople at work

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alexey-salmin wrote: post #104
bee_rider wrote: post #62

> I know a good salesman when I see one. I was, briefly, the No. 1 telemarketer in the United States. Oh neat, how? > Unlike many of my less successful colleagues, I quickly learned to take yes for an answer; though we were legally required to read a long list of mandatory disclosures to all our sales, I noticed that this often broke the spell and gave people an opening to back out or “wait and ask the wife about it.…

Articles like this are valued not based on how noble is the protagonist but based on how truthful is the account. The latter is of course not granted either but I would be even less inclined to believe a story of an airtight telemarketer. In general I think it's very easy to _not understand_ people i.e. "how could you". The interesting part for me is when I do understand: "oh this is how". From that perspective I enj…

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Re: In my life, I've witnessed three elite salespeople at work

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Post by JumpCrisscross »

getnormality wrote: post #67
bee_rider wrote: post #62

> I know a good salesman when I see one. I was, briefly, the No. 1 telemarketer in the United States. Oh neat, how? > Unlike many of my less successful colleagues, I quickly learned to take yes for an answer; though we were legally required to read a long list of mandatory disclosures to all our sales, I noticed that this often broke the spell and gave people an opening to back out or “wait and ask the wife about it.…

So... the thing that made him America's top telemarketer was... illegally omitting the disclosures... which everyone was doing... but also, it made him uniquely successful because many of his colleagues didn't do it? I'm getting the strangest feeling that maybe this guy isn't done peddling bullshit?

> the thing that made him America's top telemarketer was... illegally omitting the disclosures

Honestly, when I’m on a call with customer service I could do without being reminded every microsecond that I’m actually on a phone call that might be recorded.

Re: In my life, I've witnessed three elite salespeople at work

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Post by JumpCrisscross »

ToucanLoucan wrote: post #82
getnormality wrote: post #67

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So... the thing that made him America's top telemarketer was... illegally omitting the disclosures... which everyone was doing... but also, it made him uniquely successful because many of his colleagues didn't do it? I'm getting the strangest feeling that maybe this guy isn't done peddling bullshit?

> So... the thing that made him America's top telemarketer was... illegally omitting the disclosures... which everyone was doing... but also, it made him uniquely successful because many of his colleagues didn't do it? And Uber is a taxi company that doesn't own taxis, AirBnB is a hotel chain that owns no hotels. Find a hyper-successful company or person, and start digging. The secret 99/100 times is crime (or incred…

> Uber is a taxi company that doesn't own taxis, AirBnB is a hotel chain that owns no hotels

Most taxi companies don’t own cars. Almost none of the hotel operators own real estate.

> secret 99/100 times is crime

Nope. This is the excuse of stupid criminals.

Re: In my life, I've witnessed three elite salespeople at work

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Post by vasco »

alexey-salmin wrote: post #104
bee_rider wrote: post #62

> I know a good salesman when I see one. I was, briefly, the No. 1 telemarketer in the United States. Oh neat, how? > Unlike many of my less successful colleagues, I quickly learned to take yes for an answer; though we were legally required to read a long list of mandatory disclosures to all our sales, I noticed that this often broke the spell and gave people an opening to back out or “wait and ask the wife about it.…

Articles like this are valued not based on how noble is the protagonist but based on how truthful is the account. The latter is of course not granted either but I would be even less inclined to believe a story of an airtight telemarketer. In general I think it's very easy to _not understand_ people i.e. "how could you". The interesting part for me is when I do understand: "oh this is how". From that perspective I enj…

To reward positive stories that include crime, just because other people "might also be doing it" is ehhh. That's literally what criminals tell themselves, that everyone else does it.

For a liar and a cheater, it's basic modus operandi to tell you some of their lies to give themselves a veneer of honesty.

Agree with you in some sense, it is what it is, but why trust anything else they say to "rescue the story"? That's the game they play.

Re: In my life, I've witnessed three elite salespeople at work

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Post by junto »

In a past life I sold Kirby vacuum cleaners.

You began your lead generation process by making cold calls, starting with your family and friends before expanding outward.

Securing an appointment with a potential customer allowed you to demonstrate the product directly in their home or office. A key part of the sales presentation in people’s homes involved vacuuming the customer’s mattress using a black cloth, secured with an elastic band, instead of the usual vacuum bag. As the demonstration progressed, the accumulated debris—dirt, dust, and dead skin—would inevitably overwhelm the elastic band, causing the black cloth to burst off and release a cloud of white dust into the air. This shocking and unpleasant visual often left customers both disgusted and embarrassed, making it easier to close the $800 vacuum cleaner sale.

Horrible business. Product was pretty good though.

Re: In my life, I've witnessed three elite salespeople at work

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Post by ozim »

bee_rider wrote: post #62

> I know a good salesman when I see one. I was, briefly, the No. 1 telemarketer in the United States. Oh neat, how? > Unlike many of my less successful colleagues, I quickly learned to take yes for an answer; though we were legally required to read a long list of mandatory disclosures to all our sales, I noticed that this often broke the spell and gave people an opening to back out or “wait and ask the wife about it.…

That’s why you don’t answer phone calls with „yes” as sometimes they would say your name and you would be inclined replying „yes, speaking”.

Just heard stories some shitty companies/sales would push you over they have your „yes” on recording. I don’t believe it would hold in any court if they would have to play the whole thing. But it would work on people who are not so tough.

Sattelite TV sellers were awful they almost got my mother to buy second one because they told her BS new one will void competition contract and then sales rep was pushy she wanted to back out - good thing was she did not sign anything before asking me.

So yeah I have seen some pushy idiots pushing old people or not confident people into signing stuff.

Re: In my life, I've witnessed three elite salespeople at work

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Post by vasco »

JumpCrisscross wrote: post #132
getnormality wrote: post #67

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So... the thing that made him America's top telemarketer was... illegally omitting the disclosures... which everyone was doing... but also, it made him uniquely successful because many of his colleagues didn't do it? I'm getting the strangest feeling that maybe this guy isn't done peddling bullshit?

> the thing that made him America's top telemarketer was... illegally omitting the disclosures Honestly, when I’m on a call with customer service I could do without being reminded every microsecond that I’m actually on a phone call that might be recorded.

Appealing to be recorded in secret is a weird one to read in the morning. Another solution to your problem that respects the law is for them to not record you.

Re: In my life, I've witnessed three elite salespeople at work

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Post by lamblory »

nextworddev wrote: post #21
admissionsguy wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Which one translates best into high ticket SaaS sales?

Hire #2 for the first call, #1 to close, and #3 for contract renewals

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Re: In my life, I've witnessed three elite salespeople at work

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Post by JumpCrisscross »

vasco wrote: post #137
JumpCrisscross wrote: post #132

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> the thing that made him America's top telemarketer was... illegally omitting the disclosures Honestly, when I’m on a call with customer service I could do without being reminded every microsecond that I’m actually on a phone call that might be recorded.

Appealing to be recorded in secret is a weird one to read in the morning. Another solution to your problem that respects the law is for them to not record you.

> Another solution to your problem that respects the law is for them to not record you

You'd run a customer-service operation that has no record of who said what?

Re: In my life, I've witnessed three elite salespeople at work

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Post by CapeTheory »

> Suddenly, the economy looks more like an infinite series of tiny frauds than a harmonious ecosystem.

This hits hard.

I enjoyed reading that far more than I expected, even if I did keep glancing at the scroll bar and wondering if the juice would be worth the squeeze. The meta-commentary at the end (maybe this Slate article will finally seal a book deal) felt faintly reminiscent of the end of the Stephen King "Dark Tower" novels.

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