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Re: Meta is killing off its AI-powered Instagram and Facebook profiles

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Post by Rastonbury »

brookst wrote: post #564
Rastonbury wrote: post #325

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Come on why would anyone put the team's races into RAG or anywhere under the hood lol

Does it seem outlandish that there might have been a press article about the team?

When's the last time you saw an article with entire team responsible with gender and race for a non-flagship product at a company the size of Meta?

Even if the article existed, getting the right article (instead of simply using the first Bing result, which is what the other Meta AI does) and the reasoning in a one shot instant response is better COT models like o1

If you have Messenger, try asking it to list the team behind them or their Tom Brady bot, it will not get far

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Post by leobg »

seizethecheese wrote: post #320
tomalaci wrote: post #186

You know what AI profiles I want more of? Clueless grandma/grandpa that accepts scammer calls and waste their time. Such as UK's O2 Daisy: https://news.virginmediao2.co.uk/o2-unveils-daisy-the-ai-gra...

My father has fallen for one fraud after another these last few years. It’s disgusting. Anything in the direction of solving this would be doing the lord’s work.

What country are you in?

I’m in DE and have filed a criminal complaint about a company that runs fake personal ads targeting the elderly:

When an elderly person calls, they schedule an appointment at the person’s home. Then, over several hours, they talk them into signing a 3,000 EUR contract for an objectively useless service (getting contact data of 7 or so random people over a period of several weeks).

The guy running this scheme has been doing it since the 1990s. We know they did > 40 Million Euros in the last 10 years alone.

We filed the complaint a year ago and police and district attorney have done nothing so far. At the same time, the criminal himself has sued journalists who have covered the story multiple times.

Seems like the criminals are more resourceful than those who are getting paid to stop them.

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Post by notahacker »

yieldcrv wrote: post #269
notahacker wrote: post #188

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Particularly when it's likely that despite the AI bullshitting in the absence of data on its creators, it's also incidentally true that the "black queer momma" persona is a few lines of behavioural stereotypes composed by white male programmers without any particular experience of black queer mommas.

I dont think that necessarily applies when you could easily make a training set from some actual black American people’s writings on the internet or book, or even an individual that self identified that way and train on all their writings around the internet, and result in those same stereotypes when you ask an AI to create such a profile You dont need a black American engineer or product manager to say “I approve th…

I mean, sure, some programmers with very little experience of queer black mommas could, hypothetically, be so good at curating information from the internet and carrying out training exercises that they created a persona that convincingly represents a queer black momma. Do we think this is what happened in this instance?

In which, ironically, the bot called it a "glaring omission"

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Post by AdrianB1 »

ironman1478 wrote: post #126
AdrianB1 wrote: post #113

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I believe that many people in US are just pyromaniac firefighters that start fired to play hero extinguishing it. Racism is just one of the fires. In my country (Eastern Europe) racism is approximately non-existent, but nobody was putting gas on fire for decades or more. I know a black guy that is quite famous around here, do you know what he never said? "I am a proud black person". He is a great person and people lo…

Ever heard of the Bosnian war? Many in eastern europe hate gypsies too. Maybe they don't discriminate on the color of skin specifically all, but they definitely hate based on culture.

I was in Sarajevo during those times for a couple of days, so I remember. Also in Pristina. Yes, many people in Eastern Europe used to dislike gypsies, when I was a kid it was widespread, but I never heard anything about this in the past 10 years. This fire is out, probably on a permanent basis.

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Post by AdrianB1 »

SoftTalker wrote: post #284
AdrianB1 wrote: post #113

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I believe that many people in US are just pyromaniac firefighters that start fired to play hero extinguishing it. Racism is just one of the fires. In my country (Eastern Europe) racism is approximately non-existent, but nobody was putting gas on fire for decades or more. I know a black guy that is quite famous around here, do you know what he never said? "I am a proud black person". He is a great person and people lo…

How were the Jews treated in your country in oh, say the late 1930s?

Terribly. I know from my grandparents and their Jew friends (40% of their small town were Jews), most did not survive (How are they treated now? Asking my past 2 managers, both Jews, Israeli citizens doing business in Eastern Europe, they are happy with the current times. This fire is also put out.

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Post by AdrianB1 »

yakshaving_jgt wrote: post #221
AdrianB1 wrote: post #113

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I believe that many people in US are just pyromaniac firefighters that start fired to play hero extinguishing it. Racism is just one of the fires. In my country (Eastern Europe) racism is approximately non-existent, but nobody was putting gas on fire for decades or more. I know a black guy that is quite famous around here, do you know what he never said? "I am a proud black person". He is a great person and people lo…

Which part of Eastern Europe? I’ve lived in various parts of what might be considered Eastern Europe for most of my life, and while there isn’t a hyper-focus on race like in the US, I know that racism still exists. I still see it first hand.

I worked in the Balkans with a team that covered 9 countries (except Greece), I was doing trips all over the place on a weekly basis for several years. Currently living in Romania.

Can you provide some examples of racism? I am aware of some against Gypsies 40-50 years ago, but it is gone these days. Even that, it was against the culture, not the people, Gypsies going "modern way" were fully accepted, but traditions like kid marriage or living a nomadic life in carriages was not.

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Post by AdrianB1 »

polytely wrote: post #162
AdrianB1 wrote: post #120

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We all do know that doctors do have to go through a whole residency phase in their training where they spend a lot of time with sick people and work under the supervision of more experienced doctors, gaining personal experience with the field. I think first-hand experience matters quite a bit, actually.

You just confirmed that you don't need to be a powerful black woman to program an AI bot pretending to be one, you can be a green Martian dwarf with the right skills and knowledge. Residency brings knowledge about sick people, being sick is not a requirement.

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Post by yakshaving_jgt »

AdrianB1 wrote: post #576
yakshaving_jgt wrote: post #221

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Which part of Eastern Europe? I’ve lived in various parts of what might be considered Eastern Europe for most of my life, and while there isn’t a hyper-focus on race like in the US, I know that racism still exists. I still see it first hand.

I worked in the Balkans with a team that covered 9 countries (except Greece), I was doing trips all over the place on a weekly basis for several years. Currently living in Romania. Can you provide some examples of racism? I am aware of some against Gypsies 40-50 years ago, but it is gone these days. Even that, it was against the culture, not the people, Gypsies going "modern way" were fully accepted, but traditions l…

In this case I’m talking about overt, vocal racism against black and brown people in Poland and Ukraine where I have lived for several years.

That isn’t to say that I think central or Eastern Europe are outliers — I have personally witnessed at least as much racism in countries considered to be more progressive, like Sweden.

The point is, to say it’s virtually nonexistent is plainly untrue.

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Post by yieldcrv »

notahacker wrote: post #573
yieldcrv wrote: post #269

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I dont think that necessarily applies when you could easily make a training set from some actual black American people’s writings on the internet or book, or even an individual that self identified that way and train on all their writings around the internet, and result in those same stereotypes when you ask an AI to create such a profile You dont need a black American engineer or product manager to say “I approve th…

I mean, sure, some programmers with very little experience of queer black mommas could, hypothetically, be so good at curating information from the internet and carrying out training exercises that they created a persona that convincingly represents a queer black momma. Do we think this is what happened in this instance? In which, ironically, the bot called it a "glaring omission"

the bot is echoing sentiments of comment sections it was trained on and had no idea of its origins

its acting aware and sensitive but only has information about the tech sector as a whole

my critique is about how the standards being applied are dumb all the way down. the standards are not actually that enlightened even if there was more representation congruent with the race/identity being caricatured as representation. nullifying the whole criticism.

the training set is the only thing thats important with a language model. and its just a symptom of dead internet theory, as even the persona’s byline was probably generated by a different language model.

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Post by dataviz1000 »

lelanthran wrote: post #540
thayne wrote: post #526

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The lawyer looking over the records was probably fine. Him paying his neighbor to help him look through them is more questionable.

> The lawyer looking over the records was probably fine. Him paying his neighbor to help him look through them is more questionable. I don't think so. The "paying" part is important - the neighbour becomes an employee for the duration of the work, which is fine, as then there's a contract between the employer and employee which includes, even if only implicitly, that the employers data is not to be exfiltrated. If he…

If there is anything true in this article "What Are The Requirements For Storing Physical HIPAA Documents"[0], laws were broken. But, I'm not a lawyer, what do I know?

[0 https://www.medicaltranscriptionservicecompany.com/blog/what...]

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