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Re: Be a property owner and not a renter on the internet

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Post by tonyedgecombe »

CamperBob2 wrote: post #255
tonyedgecombe wrote: post #249

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To me it looks like individual creators are the ones most likely to lose. I was watching an interview with John Warnock (one of the founders of Adobe) and he was proud of the fact that the US went from having 25,000 graphic designers to 2,500,000 largely thanks to software his company created. I do wonder if we are on the verge of reversing that shift.

The question you should be asking is if we need 2,500,000 graphic designers. Humans have a higher purpose than doing a robot's job.

Humans have a higher purpose than doing whatever job robots can't.

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Post by hulitu »

rpcope1 wrote: post #44

> Exploiting user-generated content. You know, if I've noticed anything in the past couple years, it's that even if you self-host your own site, it's still going to get hoovered up and used/exploited by things like AI training bots. I think between everyone's code getting trained on, even if it's AGPLv3 or something similarly restrictive, and generally everything public on the internet getting "trained" and "transfor…

> your own site, it's still going to get hoovered up and used/exploited by things like AI training bots.

Firewall ?

Re: Be a property owner and not a renter on the internet

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Post by CamperBob2 »

tonyedgecombe wrote: post #261
CamperBob2 wrote: post #255

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The question you should be asking is if we need 2,500,000 graphic designers. Humans have a higher purpose than doing a robot's job.

Humans have a higher purpose than doing whatever job robots can't.

Whatever that purpose is, you're not going to achieve it while doing a job that robots can.

Re: Be a property owner and not a renter on the internet

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Post by foxglacier »

rchaud wrote: post #257
foxglacier wrote: post #239

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But also no direct copying, typically. Would OP really be happy with an AI that reliably rewords everything so that attribution is not required but still reproduces the information?

Human educational systems penalize you for not citing sources (i.e. not showing your work, not crediting referenced works). Why should an AI system be exempt?

Because it's not a student at school, obviously. You didn't cite the source for the claim you just made there and you didn't need to.

Re: Be a property owner and not a renter on the internet

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Post by tonyedgecombe »

CamperBob2 wrote: post #263
tonyedgecombe wrote: post #261

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Humans have a higher purpose than doing whatever job robots can't.

Whatever that purpose is, you're not going to achieve it while doing a job that robots can.

Which is the point I was making in the first place.

Re: Be a property owner and not a renter on the internet

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Post by MattLuo »

> 10. Incremental is better than perfect# Your site is not going to be perfect from day one. You are going to run into hiccups with discoverability. You’ll find out that nobody can find it on Google for the first month. That’s OK. You can pull through this.

This is the last item that the article ends with. I think it gives a misleading impression of how easy it is to get a website to rank on the Google SERP. The author writes "hiccups" with discoverability, and "nobody can find it on Google for the first month".

My experience with blogs is that Google SERP is extremely competitive these days for popular keywords. Anchoring on "the first month" is unrealistically fast SEO results.

Re: Be a property owner and not a renter on the internet

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Post by DrScientist »

chii wrote: post #243
DrScientist wrote: post #207

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So you think taking something like the Encylopedia Britanica, running it through a simple rewording algorithm, and selling it on is totally 'fair use'? Taking all newspaper and proper journalistic output and rewording it automatically and selling it on is also 'fair use'? Stand back from the detail ( of whether this pixel or word is the same or not ) and look at the bigger picture. You still telling me that's all fin…

> Taking all newspaper and proper journalistic output and rewording it automatically and selling it on is also 'fair use'? it would be, if the transformation is substantial. If you're just asking for snippets of existing written works, then those snippets are merely derivative works. For example, if you asked an LLM to summarize the news and stories of 2024, i reckon the output is not infringing. Because the informat…

> this is irrelevant as far as i'm concerned. They being able to make or not make a living is orthogonal. If they can't, then they should stop.

It's not orthogonal - it's central. Copyright law and IP law isn't some abstract thing - it's a law with a purpose - to protect people from having their work ripped off in a way that they can no longer work.

If journalists can't gather the news, then sure events still happen but Google et al won't be able to summarise them as they will be no reports.

If scientific journals can no longer afford to operate as nobody needs to subscribe because anybody can get the content free via a rip-off, then there will be no scientific journals to rip-off.

Surely stealing stuff and selling it on is convenient for both big tech and consumers - but it's not a sustainable economic model.

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Post by DrScientist »

xp84 wrote: post #259
DrScientist wrote: post #210

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>The point i would like to emphasize is that the using data to train the model is not copyright infringement in and of itself. Interesting point - though the law can be strange in some cases - so for example in the UK in court cases where people are effectively being charged for looking at illegal images, the actual crime can be 'making illegal images' - simply because a precedence has been set that because any OS/Br…

That seems to be an artifact of the whole copyright thing predating all forms of computing and memory, but if we don’t ignore that one, we’ve all been illegally copying copyrighted text, images and videos into our RAM every time we use the Internet. So i think the courts now basically acknowledge that that doesnt count as a “copy.” *Not a lawyer

Expect I've given you a concrete real counter example of where they do treat copying in memory as 'making a copy'.

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Post by gavinhoward »

BSOhealth wrote: post #235
gavinhoward wrote: post #61

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I just beat a video game for the first time in my life. It was such a confidence boost and exactly what I needed because I bought the headset to fight depression (exercise). I realized that VR, as a medium, is uniquely tuned to people , and I think you would have a great blog if you focused on just that: people. What are some ideas for how can VR help people? Can it help people fight depression? Can it be used for ph…

I totally agree with basically all that. I’m at an age where video games quickly bore me (totally respecting people who enjoy them), but I also have had some profound VR experiences that make me believe there is a moral imperative to create experiences for people to see what life is like in other peoples’ shoes, and travel to places they otherwise couldn’t, and to learn new things and concepts in ways we couldn’t bef…

Yes, please. That is a GREAT title.

Re: Be a property owner and not a renter on the internet

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Post by gavinhoward »

captainnemo229 wrote: post #232
gavinhoward wrote: post #61

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I just beat a video game for the first time in my life. It was such a confidence boost and exactly what I needed because I bought the headset to fight depression (exercise). I realized that VR, as a medium, is uniquely tuned to people , and I think you would have a great blog if you focused on just that: people. What are some ideas for how can VR help people? Can it help people fight depression? Can it be used for ph…

Thanks for sharing this. Really neat. Glad you are feeling better than you have been! > a book about ship handling Mind sharing the title? I'm very curious.

https://www.usni.org/press/books/naval-shiphandlers-guide
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