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Re: Meta is killing off its AI-powered Instagram and Facebook profiles

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Post by tsimionescu » Sun, Jan 05, 2025, 6:36 AM UTC

__MatrixMan__ wrote: post #448

tomalaci wrote: post #186

You know what AI profiles I want more of? Clueless grandma/grandpa that accepts scammer calls and waste their time. Such as UK's O2 Daisy: https://news.virginmediao2.co.uk/o2-unveils-daisy-the-ai-gra...

It's a funny thought on the surface, but the people working these scams are typically slaves, more or less. I'd rather go after their slavers than waste electricity to waste their time.

This is not attacking the people on the phone, it's attacking the whole operation. The person on the phone is going to be on the phone regardless of whether they're talking to an AI or a victim. The AI is merely talking on the phone, not abusing the caller in any way (other than perhaps eating into their commission).

I also think it's extremely simplistic to call the people making the calls "slaves". A lot of the time, they are in facr the perpetrators. Even when they are part of a more organized operation, they (1) are likely paid per successful scam, so they are co-interested in hurting you, and (2) fully aware they are scaring and stealing from someone.

So I wouldn't call these people slaves, I'd call them low-level criminals.

Re: Meta is killing off its AI-powered Instagram and Facebook profiles

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Post by tsimionescu » Sun, Jan 05, 2025, 6:40 AM UTC

throwaway48476 wrote: post #338

seizethecheese wrote: post #320

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My father has fallen for one fraud after another these last few years. It’s disgusting. Anything in the direction of solving this would be doing the lord’s work.

The solution is for all foreign wire transfers to be insured and reversible which would drive up the cost of doing business with countries home to scammers.

How would that help? How would you prove to the insurer that you were scammed out of the money and are not in fact pulling the opposite scam (that is, paying someone for a good/service, and then clawing the money back afterwards)?

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Post by Xplune13 » Sun, Jan 05, 2025, 6:41 AM UTC

cdcox wrote: post #167

This was probably an okay idea terribly implemented. GenAI creators on social media kind of sense. Neurosama, an AI streamer, is massively popular. Silllytavern which lets people make and chat with characters or tell stories with LLMs feeds Openrouter 20 million messages a day, which is a fraction of it's totally usage. Anecdotally I've have non tech friends learn how to install Git and work an API to get this one wo…

> This was probably an okay idea terribly implemented. GenAI creators on social media kind of sense.

It boggles my mind that there are people who think this is a good/ok idea. From a human perspective, all it does is pulls the mind ever closer to fictional imaginative world rather than encouraging real life interactions which I believe is inherently wrong no matter what business strategy is wrapped around it.

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Post by xp84 » Sun, Jan 05, 2025, 6:42 AM UTC

xdfgh1112 wrote: post #340

beezlebroxxxxxx wrote: post #332

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> That’s a financial product, not a medical one. It often goes unsaid, but America, on a cultural and political level, is really ideologically fixated on a distinction between working and non-working individuals, and, in a far deeper sense, whether an individual "deserves" healthcare or not. This makes access to healthcare intricately connected to class, wealth, and income, in America. That's why access to healthcare…

I get this feeling a lot. For example the UK typically has unlimited paid sick days for salaried jobs, while I have heard of US employees pooling together and "donating" sick days to someone. The UK has a ton of benefits for the sick, unemployed, single mothers, carers etc. in the US I am sure those exist but I get the sense that charity is supposed to play more of a role.

FYI it’s not common to allow sick days to be transferable.

TBH I think in the US it’s more than anything about how much more competitive industries here are vs in the UK. If X company feels it’s worth the extra cost by allowing unlimited PTO and 2 years of parental leave, etc. the worry is that X will be trounced by Y Company, who is ruthless enough to not offer those things and as such has much cheaper labor costs.

If you take an industry like retail, those companies have a point - Walmart and Amazon offer low benefits compared to what companies once offered. Their lower prices are part of how they killed off most of the department stores and put the rest on life support.

And if you think about a highly paid job, even though our fringe benefits suck compared to Europe style, my impression is that US salaries are higher for equivalent jobs, enough that it makes up for it. So we value the money more than we would the benefits, apparently. Only problem is you can’t use all that money to buy more time with your family (except for by taking breaks between jobs, if you’re good at saving!)

Re: Meta is killing off its AI-powered Instagram and Facebook profiles

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Post by tsimionescu » Sun, Jan 05, 2025, 6:46 AM UTC

jopsen wrote: post #408

fallingknife wrote: post #391

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Insured against what? (The bank is already liable if the account is breached). These scam transfers are intentional acts authorized by the account holders. A company can't be held liable for the stupidity of its customers.

Banks should be liable, there is often insufficient ways to validate who you're transferring money to. Sometimes the bank interface will tell you name and address, after you type in numbers, but who validates this? My bank (in Denmark) sometimes sends me emails from an domain that isn't their primary domain. The bank uses a login system that is provided by the state. In theory it's a good idea, but you sign-in on dom…

This is all irrelevant.

The way these scams work is to get someone to intentionally send money, usually through gift cards or wire transfer to an account.

Some of the common schemes are to pretend these are taxes that they didn't pay ("you owe the IRS a huge amount, send this money and all the penalties won't be applied immediately"), sometimes it's urgent money needed for a loved one (a common one is "your son/daughter just hit someone with their car, send money to this lawyer to try and save them from prison"), sometimes it's promises of future riches (such as the infamous Nigerian Prince who will send his fortune to you if only you send a little money first).

Re: Meta is killing off its AI-powered Instagram and Facebook profiles

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Post by xp84 » Sun, Jan 05, 2025, 6:48 AM UTC

miki123211 wrote: post #472

beezlebroxxxxxx wrote: post #332

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> That’s a financial product, not a medical one. It often goes unsaid, but America, on a cultural and political level, is really ideologically fixated on a distinction between working and non-working individuals, and, in a far deeper sense, whether an individual "deserves" healthcare or not. This makes access to healthcare intricately connected to class, wealth, and income, in America. That's why access to healthcare…

Be aware that in many single-payer systems, insurance is also tied to working (or unemployment / retirement / pensions). In my opinion, this is actually the reason for why we have so little innovation in Europe. Mandatory, single-payer insurance very significantly raises the cost to be self-employed / have a sole proprietorship, which you practically need to run any side project that you want to eventually make money…

I don’t get it, why is a self-employed person paying so much more than others for single payer healthcare where you are? That sounds exactly like the USA where those not employed as a normal full-time employee pay the most for equivalent insurance, so people here definitely do stay at their regular jobs instead of quitting to found a startup. Insurance outside of those group plans is even more expensive than the already shocking normal cost, and of course normal full time employment (what we call W-2 jobs) usually provides a generous healthcare subsidy.

Re: Meta is killing off its AI-powered Instagram and Facebook profiles

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Post by Xplune13 » Sun, Jan 05, 2025, 6:49 AM UTC

s1artibartfast wrote: post #166

NotYourLawyer wrote: post #4

Who thought this was ever a good idea?

What's the difference? Most influencers were fake people already. They were just meat and silicone instead of silicon

Great! So on top of that, let's create more fake people! Sounds like a good idea.

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Post by devjab » Sun, Jan 05, 2025, 6:50 AM UTC

notavalleyman wrote: post #386

devjab wrote: post #384

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Can you explain why it is you think that makes it any better? I can think of no argument that would make this particular persona anything but a tremendously stupid idea. Even if it was one in a thousand personas it would almost certainly be found and singled out by articles like this one.

> how on earth did the issues with this not become obvious for the team? I haven't reviewed the context of all 28. But if "the team" were trying to do this rationally: perhaps they'd use census data to weight human characteristics and roll 28 dice. We might not expect more than one of 28 to end up as "queer black mom" but it's not necessarily "woke bait" or "rage bait" for one of 28 to land on those squares. Perhaps…

I don't think it's woke or rage bait. As I said I think it's no real world experience and no common sense and I'm frankly amazed that nobody in a SoMe/advertisement organisation didn't consider how the world would react.

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Post by the_mar » Sun, Jan 05, 2025, 6:52 AM UTC

brigandish wrote: post #468

_DeadFred_ wrote: post #390

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They don't exist in the UK either, what company would offer unlimited sick days? Getting a job at those companies would represent a lottery win.

I mean your employment can't technically be terminated because you are taking sick days, unless it's whatever qualifies as long term illness (18 or 28 weeks I forget).

Technically they are not obligated to continue to pay you and the govt sick pay is like 100 quid per week.

in the us they can fire you the day you don't show up

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Post by ec109685 » Sun, Jan 05, 2025, 6:53 AM UTC

griomnib wrote: post #441

ec109685 wrote: post #415

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Are you sure it was illegal? HIPPA carves out this exception for using your health records: “To pay doctors and hospitals for your health care and to help run their businesses”

This almost definitely falls under Business Associate in hipaa and is totally fine. https://www.hhs.gov/hipaa/for-professionals/privacy/guidance...

Yup: “An attorney whose legal services to a health plan involve access to protected health information.”