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Whistleblower Binney says the NSA has dossiers on nearly every US citizen

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Re: Whistleblower Binney says the NSA has dossiers on nearly every US citizen

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Post by keithpeter »

"Domestically, they're pulling together all the data about virtually every U.S. citizen in the country and assembling that information, building communities that you have relationships with, and knowledge about you; what your activities are; what you're doing."

A plot for a novel: NSA operative comes across an identity with no links to any other identity, no social network history. Just an isolated node... curious, she starts investigating and finds all avenues blocked, and her boss asks her to stop. Intrigued, Agent Hernandez continues on her own time...

Re: Whistleblower Binney says the NSA has dossiers on nearly every US citizen

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Post by [deleted] »

jayfuerstenberg wrote: post #49

Might I suggest having some fun with one's dossier? Like randomly doing the exact opposite of what you would ordinarily do on a daily basis. Here are some ideas... 1. Take the bus instead of driving your car. 2. Buy a pack of cigarettes if you're not a smoker. 3. Buy magazines you would never normally buy. 4. Attend a political meeting of the party you typically oppose. 5. Buy vegetarian food for a week if you're a m…

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Re: Whistleblower Binney says the NSA has dossiers on nearly every US citizen

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Post by samstave »

ryanwaggoner wrote: post #46
samstave wrote: post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'd be quite positive that these "dossiers" are compiled specifically to correlate HUMAN->SN->DL|Criminal Record|[ONLINE WEDSITE]USER_NAME I am positive that the NSAs current charter is to associate the real people to the virtual AMONG MANY OTHER THINGS. So, with all that said - I have met and talked with a range of NSA personalities and they are the blackest of the black hats. DO NOT TRUST.

This would have lacked any credibility whatsoever if it weren't for the caps.

Are you familiar with nothing?

ATT carnivor room on folsom street in SF?

NSA Datacenter (I know the bidders to build it)?

History of the US over the last 10 year?

There are lots of things I would never detail on HN, but know this - you are watched, every single bit.

Re: Whistleblower Binney says the NSA has dossiers on nearly every US citizen

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Post by Angostura »

ilaksh wrote: post #35
bobsy wrote: post #27

If this is true doesn't it mean that Bin Laden won the war on terror? Every time I go to the airport I think this. Those full body scanners? Thanks to Bin Laden, now you practically get strip searched for every flight. You have to take off your shoes. You cannot take drinks on a plane. You then have everyone on edge no matter where you go. You and a friend play CounterStrike. You get on the bus and start talking abou…

"The War on Terror" I wish that people would learn what "The War on Terror" really is. The United States IS like other countries, including China, now and in the past. In 2001 there was an event in the United States which was very similar to the 1933 Reichstag fire in Berlin. Very few people can accept that reality, so this comment will probably be buried. I don't think people even know what a State is. The harsh tru…

You neglected to add those all important words "wake up sheeple".

You're making extraordinary claims regarding the parallels with the Reichtag fire. I won't ask for extraordinary evidence, just reasonable evidence.

Re: Whistleblower Binney says the NSA has dossiers on nearly every US citizen

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Post by ilaksh »

EvilTerran wrote: post #50
ilaksh wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"The War on Terror" I wish that people would learn what "The War on Terror" really is. The United States IS like other countries, including China, now and in the past. In 2001 there was an event in the United States which was very similar to the 1933 Reichstag fire in Berlin. Very few people can accept that reality, so this comment will probably be buried. I don't think people even know what a State is. The harsh tru…

Alternatively, if your post does get buried, it might be because you bald-faced assert that people who don't agree with you lack learning, can't accept reality, don't know what a state is, and are living in a make-believe fairy tale land. In other words, "if you disagree, you're a big stoopid thicko". You're clearly not up for reasonable discussion, you're just soap-boxing. Well, that and whining about the possibilit…

You're right, that was an insulting way to put it. Sorry if I offended people unnecessarily.

I have made similar comments before, hoping for some type of discussion, and had my comment buried so that no one would even see it, which makes discussion impossible. So I was actually hoping that my comment would somehow remain visible.

This is really about what people believe, which isn't something you can reason about. You just can't reason someone into having different beliefs.

I think that for people to take on a radically different worldview usually requires some extraordinary circumstances, maybe some luck, and some type of emotional subconscious trigger.

Anyway, if you actually want to discuss it, which likely will go in circles since these are belief systems, what do you think a state is, or what the war on terror is?

Re: Whistleblower Binney says the NSA has dossiers on nearly every US citizen

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Post by fromhet »

thaumaturgy wrote: post #36
bobsy wrote: post #27

If this is true doesn't it mean that Bin Laden won the war on terror? Every time I go to the airport I think this. Those full body scanners? Thanks to Bin Laden, now you practically get strip searched for every flight. You have to take off your shoes. You cannot take drinks on a plane. You then have everyone on edge no matter where you go. You and a friend play CounterStrike. You get on the bus and start talking abou…

> If this is true doesn't it mean that Bin Laden won the war on terror? Not exactly: http://www.reddit.com/r/WTF/comments/wcpls/this_i_my_friends...

It was pretty quickly concluded that that guy was straight out bullshitting.

The quotes are from OBL's videos that he made and leaked out to mainly Al Jazeera. They were made after all of this made happened, and OBL obviously knew to read the papers and know how to make good propaganda.

Be sceptics, fokes!

Re: Whistleblower Binney says the NSA has dossiers on nearly every US citizen

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Post by CamperBob2 »

Angostura wrote: post #54
ilaksh wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"The War on Terror" I wish that people would learn what "The War on Terror" really is. The United States IS like other countries, including China, now and in the past. In 2001 there was an event in the United States which was very similar to the 1933 Reichstag fire in Berlin. Very few people can accept that reality, so this comment will probably be buried. I don't think people even know what a State is. The harsh tru…

You neglected to add those all important words "wake up sheeple". You're making extraordinary claims regarding the parallels with the Reichtag fire. I won't ask for extraordinary evidence, just reasonable evidence.

You're making extraordinary claims regarding the parallels with the Reichtag fire. I won't ask for extraordinary evidence, just reasonable evidence.

The part I don't get is why it seems to matter so much whether 9/11 was an unexpected attack or a planned conspiracy, or whether it was anticipated but not orchestrated by the government. The effect is all that matters, and the effect was, in fact, exactly the same as the Reichstag fire... which is itself not universally agreed to have been sanctioned by the Nazis.

Re: Whistleblower Binney says the NSA has dossiers on nearly every US citizen

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Post by pyoung »

ilaksh wrote: post #56
EvilTerran wrote: post #50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Alternatively, if your post does get buried, it might be because you bald-faced assert that people who don't agree with you lack learning, can't accept reality, don't know what a state is, and are living in a make-believe fairy tale land. In other words, "if you disagree, you're a big stoopid thicko". You're clearly not up for reasonable discussion, you're just soap-boxing. Well, that and whining about the possibilit…

You're right, that was an insulting way to put it. Sorry if I offended people unnecessarily. I have made similar comments before, hoping for some type of discussion, and had my comment buried so that no one would even see it, which makes discussion impossible. So I was actually hoping that my comment would somehow remain visible. This is really about what people believe, which isn't something you can reason about. Yo…

Whoa!!! Hold on there a second:

"This is really about what people believe, which isn't something you can reason about."

I would hope that reason and logic take precedent over existing belief. At least among the somewhat rational subset of individuals that tend to lurk in these corners.

Re: Whistleblower Binney says the NSA has dossiers on nearly every US citizen

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Post by saryant »

mjwalshe wrote: post #44

Depends what you mean by dossier I am sure the NSA has a definative list of all Us residents names and SSN's but thats not a dossier in the same way That the FBI under hover had about anyone even sligtly progressive. Id be more worried by the fact the in the USA its common practice to register with the govenment what political party you support.

Registering your political party is a state thing, not federal. Nor does every state require it. My state, Texas, does not.

You can see all the information asked for when registering to vote here:

https://webservices.sos.state.tx.us/vrapp/index.asp

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