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Re: Google+ grows 43% in June

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Post by slurgfest »

TillE wrote: post #137
slurgfest wrote: post #78

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> MySpace is so small now! And shrinking! Let us never forget that history. So telling that you ask me not to forget MySpace's history, but Friendster is no longer mentioned - so I guess this means that we only remember one social network back ;)

Friendster was never really a thing. MySpace was actually briefly popular, before Facebook opened up to everyone.

Friendster was definitely a thing, before MySpace. If we are going to have a quantitative argument there will need to be high quality numbers

Re: Google+ grows 43% in June

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Post by ars »

Steko wrote: post #127
bsphil wrote: post #104

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Does "Google Plus" also cover "G+" and "Google+" and whatever other variation of the name there is? That's probably the last way I'd think of searching for statistics on it. Everything else you listed doesn't have any common aliases.

It doesn't appear to and I'm not exactly sure when + becomes viable in trends/insights although looking at it it looks like it's there for the last year or so. However if you double the result volume to account for Google Plus and Google+ it's still unimpressive. More importantly the curve is flat for both. http://www.google.com/insights/search/#q=Google%20Plus%2CGoo...

All the shows is that people aren't searching for G+ on google - which would make sense, since there is a link to it right at the top of the search page.

Page views is a much better metric for this kind of thing - anyone who is engaged is not going to search for it more than once.

Re: Google+ grows 43% in June

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Post by patrickaljord »

smacktoward wrote: post #42
simonsarris wrote: post #8

Wow. Lots of impressions here. MySpace is so small now! And shrinking! Let us never forget that history. Tumblr and pinterest are adding a lot fewer users than I thought. Gosh just look at the page. Google+ looks very clean and beautiful compared to Facebook these days. I'm reminded of when everybody used to say "Facebook looks very clean and beautiful compared to MySpace these days". Google has a big leg up here as…

Lots of people link to Google+ posts here. Nobody links to the equivalent Facebook thing, wall posts. That's a bit misleading, because one of the few places G+ has gotten traction is among developers, mostly in the Google ecosystem (go figure). That's a big and important ecosystem, so it's not shocking that people from there would post stuff that occasionally is of interest to HN. Facebook wall posts aren't used in t…

> That's a bit misleading, because one of the few places G+ has gotten traction is among developers

I remember the same about Twitter, most users were devs and rails devs at that. Doesn't mean G+ will be as successful as Twitter though.

Re: Google+ grows 43% in June

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Post by Steko »

ars wrote: post #142
Steko wrote: post #127

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It doesn't appear to and I'm not exactly sure when + becomes viable in trends/insights although looking at it it looks like it's there for the last year or so. However if you double the result volume to account for Google Plus and Google+ it's still unimpressive. More importantly the curve is flat for both. http://www.google.com/insights/search/#q=Google%20Plus%2CGoo...

All the shows is that people aren't searching for G+ on google - which would make sense, since there is a link to it right at the top of the search page. Page views is a much better metric for this kind of thing - anyone who is engaged is not going to search for it more than once.

That link hasn't always been there and isn't there in your browser search box and doesn't even say "Google+" or "Google Plus" at least from where I'm sitting.

Page view data we have is, frankly, terrible. If Google wants to prove to the world what a huge success G+ they could do this in 10 seconds by giving us some pageview, photo, post, etc stats. The fact that they don't do this is telling.

"anyone who is engaged is not going to search for it more than once."

That's equally true or many other services and yet they trounce G+ both in absolute and trend.

Re: Google+ grows 43% in June

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Post by saraid216 »

incongruity wrote: post #132
kingkilr wrote: post #131

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Surely you have to make an actual argument as to why it's useful though? So far all I've heard is "my friends don't use G+".

Truth be told, I'm not arguing strongly in support of the original bit of anecdotal evidence. I was more responding to the quote: "Why is there the need to respond to data with anecdotes?" I feel as though I made my case pretty well for a generalized reason, above. In this particular case, as I said: "The key here is that the number reported is "unique visitors" – what, exactly, is this telling us? Not much at all be…

Conversation is pretty worthless when it's speculation piled on speculation. If that's your thing, then well... okay.

I mean... if there's much ado about little data, why is it that MORE ado is better?

Re: Google+ grows 43% in June

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Post by nl »

Steko wrote: post #144
ars wrote: post #142

Earlier quoted context omitted.

All the shows is that people aren't searching for G+ on google - which would make sense, since there is a link to it right at the top of the search page. Page views is a much better metric for this kind of thing - anyone who is engaged is not going to search for it more than once.

That link hasn't always been there and isn't there in your browser search box and doesn't even say "Google+" or "Google Plus" at least from where I'm sitting. Page view data we have is, frankly, terrible. If Google wants to prove to the world what a huge success G+ they could do this in 10 seconds by giving us some pageview, photo, post, etc stats. The fact that they don't do this is telling. "anyone who is engaged i…

If Google wants to prove to the world what a huge success G+ they could do this in 10 seconds by giving us some pageview, photo, post, etc stats.

From the linked article:

During the Google I/O Conference in June, Google’s Vic Gundotra announced that the Google+ mobile traffic is now larger than the desktop traffic. Gundotra also announced that Google+ has 250 million accounts, 150 million active users during a month and 75 million active daily users.

So there is that.

The fact that they don't do this is telling

Facebook has never given number any more detailed than the ones Gundotra gave.

Re: Google+ grows 43% in June

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Post by nl »

DigitalSea wrote: post #113
simonsarris wrote: post #8

Wow. Lots of impressions here. MySpace is so small now! And shrinking! Let us never forget that history. Tumblr and pinterest are adding a lot fewer users than I thought. Gosh just look at the page. Google+ looks very clean and beautiful compared to Facebook these days. I'm reminded of when everybody used to say "Facebook looks very clean and beautiful compared to MySpace these days". Google has a big leg up here as…

Lots of impressions and yet nobody but developers truly use it. MySpace isn't entirely dead are we forgetting that Justin Timberlake and Specific Media purchased the company not too long ago and have been working effortlessly in the background preparing to relaunch the website? If anyone should be worried it should be Google, Facebook, Tumblr and Pinterest because many seem to forget MySpace possess a pretty large ca…

working effortlessly in the background

Not sure what you are trying to say here, but I'm pretty sure someone working effortlessly in the background isn't adding a lot of value.

If anyone should be worried it should be Google, Facebook, Tumblr and Pinterest because many seem to forget MySpace

Wow, there is a bold prediction.

the landscape is going to be marginally different come 2013

A much less bold prediction, and somewhat at odds with what you wrote earlier.

Re: Google+ grows 43% in June

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Post by xxbondsxx »

Steko wrote: post #80
vm wrote: post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

First, the OA's comparison is meaningless. It focuses on vanity metrics rather than engagement or retention. A lot is written on that topic, so I won't repeat (see Tim Ferris: http://www.fourhourworkweek.com/blog/2009/05/19/vanity-metri... ). This article is excellent optimization for link baiting. And it doesn't matter because most of these sites don't compete against each other. Each of these media sites has a diff…

Claims of G+'s amazing growth always looks silly when I run this bookmarked Insights: http://www.google.com/insights/search/#q=Google%20Plus%2CIns...

Try adding Facebook to the mix too:

http://www.google.com/insights/search/#q=Google%20Plus%2CIns...

Absolutely dwarfs everything else. I'm not buying that G+ has 1/5 of the MAU's of Facebook

Re: Google+ grows 43% in June

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Post by gurkendoktor »

kalleboo wrote: post #74
vibrunazo wrote: post #24

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Obviously anecdotal. One explanation might be G+ international popularity. A quick look at "what's hot" and you'll see plenty of center and eastern asian names on the comments. The Android developer relations team makes weekly public hangouts in different time zones. I tried a few different ones out of curiosity and noticed that both the Indian and Brazilian ones are much more popular than the american hangout (which…

> One explanation might be G+ international popularity Google have been doing a TON of PR in Japan. They're doing a collaboration[0] with Japan's top J-Pop group (AKB48, with 200+ members) where they gave them all high-end Samsung phones and G+ accounts to post on. Some popular members used to post on Twitter and Ameblo, but this has extended to all members. They've also done exclusive G+ live streams of concerts, an…

I'm in Taiwan and I sometimes see ads like "Follow your favorite pop stars on Google+!"

Re: Google+ grows 43% in June

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Post by obituary_latte »

Is there a way to perhaps add revision history to mod-altered post titles?

It's confusing and maybe even counter-productive in some cases when these ninja-edits happen.

If there is a reason to change the title, let people know why. This adds to the available collective information as to what's acceptable or expected.

Example: user w submits post with good intentions and unintentionally uses an x title which is not appropriate. Title is changed by mod and user checks history. User sees title wasn't appropriate because y. Next time, user thinks about it and tries harder to be more concise/accurate. Progress.

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