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The thread is here and... it's pretty wild. This doesn't seem like it was a well-thought out idea to release this without some more consideration beforehand. https://bsky.app/profile/karenattiah.bsky.social/post/3letty...
Soo...they didn't learn anything from Microsoft's failed attempts at leaving an A.I. on the net ?? what was it ?? 48 hours before MS had to take them down ?
Stack Overflow was great when it came out. But the whatever percent of humans who were mean and obnoxious and wouldn't let you just ask your questions eventually ruined it all.
Then ChatGPT came out without any humans to get in the way of me asking my software development questions, and it was so much better.
In the same way, when social media came out, it was great. But the whatever percent of humans who were mean and obnoxious and wouldn't let you just socialize and speak your mind eventually ruined it all.
If there's an equivalent social media experience out there that gets rid of or at least mitigates the horriblenesses of humanity while still letting people socialize online and explore what's on their mind, maybe it's worth trying.
> Instagram profile of ‘proud Black queer momma’, created by Meta, said her development team included no Black people It’s such a weird religion.
it raises several questions, my first question (besides the obvious question of why is this a thing at all) is does the chatbot actually have the information about the racial background of its dev team or is it hallucinating up an answer when it lacks the data. if it does have that sort of knowledge why personally identifiable information about individual devs accessable to a public facing chatbot and how much of the…
It seems these were just insanely poorly trained and gated - getting a bot to comment on its dev team, including in some cases specific names of lead designers, is something that feels crazy to let a bot just do. Even if all the data it would respond with is made up slop, this exact debacle is why you do your best to make a bot not even try to answer this sort of stuff.
As for what information it was trained on that it said its dev team had no black devs, that seems fairly reasonable based on general statistical information and scholarly articles it was trained on. It may still be incorrect, but that's a pretty statistically likely outcome, so it's not surprising an LLM built to parrot the statistically likely outcome would say it.
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If you're trying to create a persona, having someone that knows about the background said persona would likely have is not political, it's just common sense. It's like having a group of people from Brazil design outdoor clothing for Norwegians or something along those lines.
Now, who knows how much the responses were hallucinated or not, but the whole thing is just weird and seems poorly thought out.
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From Wikipedia[0]:
A social construct or construction is the meaning, notion, or connotation placed on an object or event by a society, and adopted by that society with respect to how they view or deal with the object or event.[8]
The social construction of target populations refers to the cultural characterizations or popular images of the persons or groups whose behavior and well-being are affected by public policy.[9]
Social constructionism posits that the meanings of phenomena do not have an independent foundation outside the mental and linguistic representation that people develop about them throughout their history, and which becomes their shared reality.[10] From a linguistic viewpoint, social constructionism centres meaning as an internal reference within language (words refer to words, definitions to other definitions) rather than to an external reality.
>Are dog breeds a 'social construct'?
>Are species a 'social construct'?
Species are a social construct[1]. Dog breeds are not a social construct[2]. However, human races are not equivalent to dog breeds[3].
[0]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_constructionism
[1]https://old.reddit.com/r/AskSocialScience/comments/ad58x6/is...
[2] https://old.reddit.com/r/biology/comments/rfapt7/are_dog_bre...
[3]https://evolution-outreach.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.118...
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I find it hard to believe that someone would say something similar about any other aspect of cultural identity and not be instantly flagged for it. Are you truly advocating that people should no longer be proud of their cultural identity? Are you applying that to all the folks in tech who proudly identify as Christian or Jewish? Does it apply to Italian Americans and Indigenous people? What about folks who are proud…
Why can't you just be American? Both my parents were born here, they've explained our lineage, but I literally don't care. I'm an American, America is my culture and country.
A hell of a lot of people want to "just be American" and a lot of Americans won't let them.
> Those AI profiles included Liv, whose profile described her as a “proud Black queer momma of 2 & truth-teller” I find this stuff absolutely fascinating, that even an AI bot tries to do this sort of thing. It just strikes me that there is no world in which racism will ever die out as long as things like this are happening. You can't have it both ways. If race is just melanin content then we have no issue. That's the…
I find it hard to believe that someone would say something similar about any other aspect of cultural identity and not be instantly flagged for it. Are you truly advocating that people should no longer be proud of their cultural identity? Are you applying that to all the folks in tech who proudly identify as Christian or Jewish? Does it apply to Italian Americans and Indigenous people? What about folks who are proud…
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1. Breaks down especially with the existence of mixed race people. Did you know that there was a term for Americans born with 7 European great grandparents and 1 black one? Many of those were born into slavery and treated horribly for being black.
Which touches on 2... But also, the Irish were not considered white. I've seen horribly racist British illustrations of the 19th century comparing Irish people to Africans. In that century in the United States, Italian and eastern European immigrants were also not considered white.
When you consider these ridiculous corner cases, and how their perceptions have changed over time, it makes you aware that the categorization itself isn't really based on logic and reason or facts, even when generalizations hold up "better". Yes, for the most stereotypically appearing people, we'll probably correctly guess their ancestry a lot of the time based on things like appearances. But it falls apart pretty quickly. You don't need to get into extreme outlier cases as above for you to miss something when you treat racial categories as unambiguous facts.
> Those AI profiles included Liv, whose profile described her as a “proud Black queer momma of 2 & truth-teller” I find this stuff absolutely fascinating, that even an AI bot tries to do this sort of thing. It just strikes me that there is no world in which racism will ever die out as long as things like this are happening. You can't have it both ways. If race is just melanin content then we have no issue. That's the…
I find it hard to believe that someone would say something similar about any other aspect of cultural identity and not be instantly flagged for it. Are you truly advocating that people should no longer be proud of their cultural identity? Are you applying that to all the folks in tech who proudly identify as Christian or Jewish? Does it apply to Italian Americans and Indigenous people? What about folks who are proud…
My take on the comment was that so long as a trait is relevant to some people, it will be dispised by some other people. Either it's completely benign or it's somewhat polarizing. There are few things that only range from neutral to positive without detractors.
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Would you say the same if the bot identified itself as being from a certain religion? Or working for a specific company? Having a random personality trait? Supporting a sports team? No one would bat an eye, and none of those would mean it is okay to discriminate against them on that basis. Removing racism does not mean removing race.
I think it is fine to discriminate against companies (that's what boycotts are) and sports teams (that's what rivals do).