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Be a property owner and not a renter on the internet

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chii wrote: post #205
DrScientist wrote: post #201

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> Of course, none of the images are copies, or would be judged to be copies by a reasonable person. That's the fiction of course. Tell me how something like ChatGPT can simultaneously claim to return accurate information while at the same time being completely independent from the sources of the information? In terms of images - copyright isn't only for exact copies - it if was then humans would have been taking the…

> ChatGPT can simultaneously claim to return accurate information while at the same time being completely independent from the sources of the information? why can't that be true? Information is not copyrightable. The expression of information is. If chatGPT extracted information from a source works, and represent that information back to you in a form that is not a copy of the original works, then this is completely…

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Post by captainnemo229 »

gavinhoward wrote: post #61
BSOhealth wrote: post #16

I have vr.dev and want to do something meaningful with it, additive to the community, and not just a trash content blog. any ideas? who’s down?

I just beat a video game for the first time in my life. It was such a confidence boost and exactly what I needed because I bought the headset to fight depression (exercise). I realized that VR, as a medium, is uniquely tuned to people , and I think you would have a great blog if you focused on just that: people. What are some ideas for how can VR help people? Can it help people fight depression? Can it be used for ph…

Thanks for sharing this. Really neat. Glad you are feeling better than you have been!

> a book about ship handling

Mind sharing the title? I'm very curious.

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Post by captainnemo229 »

liontwist wrote: post #75
BSOhealth wrote: post #16

I have vr.dev and want to do something meaningful with it, additive to the community, and not just a trash content blog. any ideas? who’s down?

Your question is kind of backwards, as an interesting website idea is more of a project than a good domain name. But here goes: Document every VR headset released with technical details and references

I agree with you, but I also love when people intentionally go the other way and come up with something cool. Like that Vidalia Onions guy.[0]

[0]: https://www.deepsouthventures.com/i-sell-onions-on-the-inter...

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Post by liontwist »

CamperBob2 wrote: post #216
liontwist wrote: post #70

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Even if no attribution etc is your personal policy that’s not everyone else’s. The end result is that any authors who care about copyright protection will become less accessible. It’s a gold rush for AI bots to capture the good will of early internet creators before the well runs dry,

Even if no attribution etc is your personal policy that’s not everyone else’s. That's up to the courts. As usual, we will all lose if the copyright maximalists win.

Last I checked creators of a work held copyright for it and that hasn’t changed. So no, this is not a new legal question

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Post by BSOhealth »

gavinhoward wrote: post #61
BSOhealth wrote: post #16

I have vr.dev and want to do something meaningful with it, additive to the community, and not just a trash content blog. any ideas? who’s down?

I just beat a video game for the first time in my life. It was such a confidence boost and exactly what I needed because I bought the headset to fight depression (exercise). I realized that VR, as a medium, is uniquely tuned to people , and I think you would have a great blog if you focused on just that: people. What are some ideas for how can VR help people? Can it help people fight depression? Can it be used for ph…

I totally agree with basically all that. I’m at an age where video games quickly bore me (totally respecting people who enjoy them), but I also have had some profound VR experiences that make me believe there is a moral imperative to create experiences for people to see what life is like in other peoples’ shoes, and travel to places they otherwise couldn’t, and to learn new things and concepts in ways we couldn’t before.

Your comment made me think something like, “People of VR”

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Post by CamperBob2 »

liontwist wrote: post #234
CamperBob2 wrote: post #216

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Even if no attribution etc is your personal policy that’s not everyone else’s. That's up to the courts. As usual, we will all lose if the copyright maximalists win.

Last I checked creators of a work held copyright for it and that hasn’t changed. So no, this is not a new legal question

That's not how copyright law works.

That's not how anything works.

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Post by econ »

dend wrote: post #76
econ wrote: post #72

We shouldn't complaint as it is all our fault. (haha) I think OPML is the technology. Go build one and share it. Writing or recording your own stuff is a lot of work. Help promote all the cool things you've found outside the walled garden of plastic plants. Build a website for someone, teach them html for 20 minutes and set up a domain, hosting and an ftp client for them. They can always call you if they get stuck.

That's the strategy I have with this blog. Instead of sitting and lamenting over the state of the internet, it's better to spread the word and encourage action. There are actual things we can do to reclaim parts of the web that died down. It doesn't need to be at the same scale as all the social networks out there, but even if it serves a small niche, that's a fantastic achievement.

Domain names and hosting are really more of the same garbage.

People should be able to host things on their computer and without having to learn anything. Friends should archive and mirror it and without having to check boxes.

Only with file sharing the establishment went to war. Maybe ipfs will grow to that level.

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Post by rpdillon »

Terr_ wrote: post #230
rpdillon wrote: post #208

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> Any argument about this is trying to redefine copyright as the right to extract the semantic or cultural value of a document. In reality the definition is already clear - no copying of a document by any means for any purpose without explicit permission. I've studied copyright for over 20 years as an amateur, and I used to very much think this way. And then I started reading court decisions about copyright, and sudd…

I assume the emphasis there is on training , whereas it's totally possible to infringe by running the model in certain ways later.

Agreed! My take is that usages still can infringe if the output produced would otherwise infringe. I would take the fact that you use AI as the particular tool to accomplish the infringement as incidental.

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Post by foxglacier »

asdff wrote: post #219
foxglacier wrote: post #218

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What is your purpose of publishing where having the content used to train AI is a problem? Are you trying to gatekeep information that's not even protected by copyright anyway? Are you worried your potential audience will get the same thing (including your personal creativity) from AI that just copied your work so they don't recognize your name and develop some brand awareness? Or do you just not like AI and don't wa…

No attribution with ai

But also no direct copying, typically. Would OP really be happy with an AI that reliably rewords everything so that attribution is not required but still reproduces the information?

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Post by Kim_Bruning »

DrScientist wrote: post #180
chii wrote: post #51

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> Meta "sublicensed" my image to someone else, I wouldn't have much to say there. but you agreed to this, when agreeing to the TOS. > I post a picture on my site that is then used by a large publisher for ads, I would (at least in theory) have some recourse which you didn't sign any contract, and therefore it is a violation of copyright. But the new AI training methods are currently, at least imho, not a violation of…

> But the new AI training methods are currently, at least imho, not a violation of copyright - not any more than a human eye viewing it Interesting comparison - as if a human viewed something, memorized it and reproduced in a recognisable way to be pretty much the same, wouldn't that still breach copyright? ie in the human case it doesn't matter whether it went through an intermediate neural encoding - what matters i…

> as if a human viewed something, memorized it and reproduced in a recognisable way to be pretty much the same, wouldn't that still breach copyright?

> Surely the same is the case of AI?

That's close to my position.

Also, consider the case where you want to ask an image generator to not infringe copyright by eg saying "make the character look less like Donald Duck". In which case, the image generator still needs to know what Donald Duck looks like!

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