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Be a property owner and not a renter on the internet

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Re: Be a property owner and not a renter on the internet

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Post by notpushkin »

matheusmoreira wrote: post #71
bulatb wrote: post #66

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah, I hear this. Anything I put online is feeding the machine that will replace me. Maybe I can carve myself a niche if I can find an audience, and maybe turn that into something kind of reward-shaped, but that's not happening without me feeding the machine. And almost certainly I won't succeed, and I'll just make it harder for myself and everyone like me to succeed in the future. It seems the only thing to do is d…

Yeah, I'm trying too. Specifically, the GitHub Sponsors thing. I'm opposed to advertising and don't want to inflict it on others. So I don't generally advertise my work on sites like this one, I just participate in threads about it whenever I see them. Somehow people found my projects and posted them here. Just woke up one day and saw I had one sponsor. Not gonna lie, I'm still amazed about it. Not even close to prov…

> So I don't generally advertise my work on sites like this one

Please do — I for one always love to hear about indie projects, if they are relevant to the topic discussed.

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Post by dend »

xixixao wrote: post #111

Good advice, and pretty standard setup I’d say, even for companies that are trying to build a community. The one thing I wonder about is whether younger generations will use mailing lists. I never did and I’m already in my mid-30s.

Shockingly, they do! Quite a few folks that I've talked to recently expressed that they are subscribed to more than one email newsletter and read them fairly consistently.

Re: Be a property owner and not a renter on the internet

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Post by seanw444 »

psychoslave wrote: post #144

Well, we literally can’t buy a domain name only rent it, and owning a TLD or possess a static numerical address is not an option that is accessible to mere mortal either.

Would be nice if something like Namecoin could gain traction.

Re: Be a property owner and not a renter on the internet

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Post by mrweasel »

dehrmann wrote: post #82
rpcope1 wrote: post #44

> Exploiting user-generated content. You know, if I've noticed anything in the past couple years, it's that even if you self-host your own site, it's still going to get hoovered up and used/exploited by things like AI training bots. I think between everyone's code getting trained on, even if it's AGPLv3 or something similarly restrictive, and generally everything public on the internet getting "trained" and "transfor…

> used/exploited by things like AI training bots How is this worse than a human reading your blog/code, remembering the key parts of it, and creating something transformative from it?

Attribution. If you read a book, blog or code and others ask you where you got your ideas/inspiration you can refer them back to the original author. This helps people build a reputation. Even if it's just happens every once in a while, it still helps the original author.

Once an AI has hoover up your work and regurgitated it as it's own, all links back to the original creator is lost.

Re: Be a property owner and not a renter on the internet

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Post by tempestn »

Salgat wrote: post #115
baxtr wrote: post #102

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Part of me viscerally agrees because large corporations have monetized UGC. Another part of me though thinks differently. We are a species that builds knowledge from generation to generation. From one person to another. Over years, over centuries. Philosophically this part tends to think that your thoughts and ideas belong to humanity and thus need to be shared with all of us.

There's two decades worth of countless conversations on Reddit alone that would be buried into nothingness but instead ML has revived all that activity as useful data. ML is definitely a great way to bring back utility for a lot of old and unused data.

This seems like a reasonable take to me. I wish those downvoting you would explain where they disagree.

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Post by chromanoid »

chii wrote: post #139
entropi wrote: post #125

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>But the new AI training methods are currently, at least imho, not a violation of copyright - not any more than a human eye viewing it (which you've implicitly given permission to do so, by putting it up on the internet). I don't understand how that matters. I thought that the whole idea of copyright and licences was that the holder of the rights can decide what is ok to do with the content and what is not. If the ho…

> If the holder of the rights does not agree to a certain kind of use, what else is there to discuss? the holder of content does not automatically get to prescribe how i would use said content, as long as i comply with the copyrights. The holder does not get to dictate anything beyond that - for example, i can learn from the content. Or i can berate it. Copyright is not a right that covers every single conceivable us…

yeah, it is called _copy_ right. The question is, if AI is making obfuscated copies or not.

interestingly in German it is not called copyright, but Urheberrecht "authors rights". So there the word itself implies more things.

BTW at least in Germany you can own image rights of your art piece or building that is placed in a public place.

Re: Be a property owner and not a renter on the internet

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Post by anarwhal »

One other way to look at some of this (especially with the other comments around whether anything is "truly" owned) is in terms of "redundancy". TFA touches on some of the control/portability side but the thought experiment here is something like: how many people am I depending on? If you owned den.dev and den.xyz as mirrors on separate providers that's one less failure point where someone else has the power to disappear you (etc, all the way through to redundant underwater sea cables, I guess!)

Re: Be a property owner and not a renter on the internet

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Post by anarwhal »

pcloadletter_ wrote: post #15
muglug wrote: post #6

This is good advice for people whose livelihood depends on the attention of anonymous strangers. For everyone else, it’s probably ok to ignore.

It's also just kind of cool and fun to hack together a personal website

Yes, and we're on _Hacker_ News after all - doing this just for fun should be sufficient reason in and of itself
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