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Mufasa's 'Bye Bye' shows how Disney villain songs went wrong

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I haven’t seen Mufasa, but “This is the Thanks I Get” was a pretty good villain song. The best part of Wish (maybe the only good part?). So it’s not like they’ve forgotten how to do them. Sometimes a bad song is just a bad song, and not indicative of a change.

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> It feels like Disney villain songs have become a box-ticking exercise, added more out of a sense of obligation than out of inspiration. The article concludes with this sentiment, which I think is correct and applies to the entire movie of Mufasa , as well as many other Disney movies being made. Did we need a “live action” Lion King at all, let alone a “live action” prequel? The whole concept seems mediocre, so it’s…

I had huge hopes for Mufasa and it was extremely mediocre. Below Wish and Moana 2 IMO. The bones of the plot were good, but the directing was bad. Too much crammed into too little runtime. The music in recent Disney movies hasn’t been great, with the exception of Encanto. I just watched Mulan again and holy crap what a good movie. (Although it’s not Disney, I also watched Prince of Egypt again and that’s better than…

I don't know how recent, recent is, but Moana had great music too.

Re: Mufasa's 'Bye Bye' shows how Disney villain songs went wrong

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I haven't seen Mufasa - is Kiros actually a "villain"? Disney has moved away from classic villains in a lot of their animated stories; I seem to remember reading that this was intentional and that they started moving this direction in their storywriting with Frozen, progressed it with Moana (whose "major antagonist" is a mute force of nature and minor antagonist is a silly hurdle to be jumped), and fully realized it…

Encanto's villain is the concept of generational trauma and manifested by grandma. I believe she isn't evil, just traumatized and passing it on to the next generation unwittingly. Others believe her to be evil because real life people don't stop being who they are after a song number. I think it's a really innovative villain because generational trauma is real and lots of people have to deal with it. It some times ta…

Also, "We Don't Talk About Bruno" serves the role of a Villain Song in Encanto and roughly the place in the story where the Villain Song fits, but beautifully subverts expectations and illustrates the generational trauma as its consequences in gossip and hearsay in a rather strong way, while also being the kind of "banger" and preternatural earworm that a good Villain Song can be.

Re: Mufasa's 'Bye Bye' shows how Disney villain songs went wrong

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I had huge hopes for Mufasa and it was extremely mediocre. Below Wish and Moana 2 IMO. The bones of the plot were good, but the directing was bad. Too much crammed into too little runtime. The music in recent Disney movies hasn’t been great, with the exception of Encanto. I just watched Mulan again and holy crap what a good movie. (Although it’s not Disney, I also watched Prince of Egypt again and that’s better than…

wait until you see The Way to El Dorado, even better.

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Still nothing on "Va, Tosca" or "Der Hoelle Rache kocht im meinem Hertzen". Look them up if you want to see music expressing the minds of villains to perfection. If Disney understood the art form more they wouldn't be making these mistakes. Sadly too few people have a serious background vs listen to a few current things without getting where they are from.

Do you mean this song? > Der Hölle Rache kocht in meinem Herzen

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