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Elon Musk, Vivek Ramaswamy call remote work a 'Covid-era privilege.'

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Re: Elon Musk, Vivek Ramaswamy call remote work a 'Covid-era privilege.'

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Post by AnimalMuppet »

Zigurd wrote: post #8
SavageBeast wrote: post #7

It's worth a 20 minute rabbit hole dive to research Vivek's background a bit. Compare his accomplishments to the accolades (seemingly?) heaped on him. Love or hate Musk, his remarkable qualifications are undeniable. They are not the same breed of animal. I put this out there simply to draw some attention to the question of exactly who are we "taking direction" from and on what basis? Why?

TBF he has a blog.

He has a blog. Musk has X. They are not equivalent.

Or was your post more sarcasm, and I missed it?

Re: Elon Musk, Vivek Ramaswamy call remote work a 'Covid-era privilege.'

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Post by SavageBeast »

SavageBeast wrote: post #7

It's worth a 20 minute rabbit hole dive to research Vivek's background a bit. Compare his accomplishments to the accolades (seemingly?) heaped on him. Love or hate Musk, his remarkable qualifications are undeniable. They are not the same breed of animal. I put this out there simply to draw some attention to the question of exactly who are we "taking direction" from and on what basis? Why?

Also, when every house rep and every senator is on their respective floor and participates in each and every vote, I'll entertain the validity of RTO. Until then its just a means of soft-firing people.

If they can't be productive OUTSIDE the office, they're likely no productive IN the office.

Re: Elon Musk, Vivek Ramaswamy call remote work a 'Covid-era privilege.'

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Post by hilux »

legitster wrote: post #9

Our company went completely remote. Turns out it was a ruse to layoff everyone and offshore 70% of the company to India. As a remote worker, I think the move to remote work is a little naïve. From a company's perspective, if a faceless person from Iowa can do the job just as effectively as someone on site, then you may as well commit and get someone from Bangalore who can do it even cheaper. This middle ground argume…

> Having only 6-7 job markets in the entire US for tech workers continues to be dumb and short-sighted

That may be true, but it's also true that for many educated people, and especially for people who are non-white, much of the US is just not a very attractive place to live. Amazing observation about the "world,s richest country," but it's true.

I wish more US cities had public transit, and diversity of food and people, and broad cultural choices, and good race relations ... but they mostly don't. And even if the city is livable, you're surrounded by a rural MAGAscape.

Re: Elon Musk, Vivek Ramaswamy call remote work a 'Covid-era privilege.'

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Post by hilux »

SavageBeast wrote: post #7

It's worth a 20 minute rabbit hole dive to research Vivek's background a bit. Compare his accomplishments to the accolades (seemingly?) heaped on him. Love or hate Musk, his remarkable qualifications are undeniable. They are not the same breed of animal. I put this out there simply to draw some attention to the question of exactly who are we "taking direction" from and on what basis? Why?

Your second paragraph – you might have a point, but to be fair, the same could be said for pretty much every person in high office. (In other words: what's your control?)

Even as a liberal, what bugs the heck out of me is that almost no Democratic politician/functionary has ever worked in the private sector in any meaningful way. How can they understand anything about the way the business world works, or should work? Answer: they don't.

Re: Elon Musk, Vivek Ramaswamy call remote work a 'Covid-era privilege.'

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Post by gibbitz »

Our CEO can work from wherever he wants and makes 240x what I make. I want his butt in a seat in the office that's a 45 minute drive from his house 5 days a week. I'd be happy to take a 240x raise to give up 8 hours a week to commuting, he should too.

Re: Elon Musk, Vivek Ramaswamy call remote work a 'Covid-era privilege.'

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Post by dzhiurgis »

hilux wrote: post #14
SavageBeast wrote: post #7

It's worth a 20 minute rabbit hole dive to research Vivek's background a bit. Compare his accomplishments to the accolades (seemingly?) heaped on him. Love or hate Musk, his remarkable qualifications are undeniable. They are not the same breed of animal. I put this out there simply to draw some attention to the question of exactly who are we "taking direction" from and on what basis? Why?

Your second paragraph – you might have a point, but to be fair, the same could be said for pretty much every person in high office. (In other words: what's your control?) Even as a liberal, what bugs the heck out of me is that almost no Democratic politician/functionary has ever worked in the private sector in any meaningful way. How can they understand anything about the way the business world works, or should work?…

Same can be said about showman going into world politics.

Re: Elon Musk, Vivek Ramaswamy call remote work a 'Covid-era privilege.'

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Post by bdangubic »

drannex wrote: post #3

Which was highly successful, allowed for more productivity (the human species, like others, has performance gains when in comfortable and safe environments not befouled by exaggerated social animosities and fake niceties), aided those in marginalized (GSM, disabled) communities to complete work at the same level of interaction with others, and showed that most in-the-office activities are useless and hurts workers em…

tl;dr: They just want to spy on and control their employees,

guessing you are not a govie but EVERYTHING we do is fully controlled, including keystroke capture software and every other imaginable software you can think of that can tell exactly what you are doing every single second of the work day (or night)... it is even easier to spy and control remote workers than at-office workers - I have to do EVERYTHING now on the computer while at the office I can go to the breakroom and shit on Vivek and Must for hours :)

Re: Elon Musk, Vivek Ramaswamy call remote work a 'Covid-era privilege.'

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Post by bdangubic »

hilux wrote: post #14
SavageBeast wrote: post #7

It's worth a 20 minute rabbit hole dive to research Vivek's background a bit. Compare his accomplishments to the accolades (seemingly?) heaped on him. Love or hate Musk, his remarkable qualifications are undeniable. They are not the same breed of animal. I put this out there simply to draw some attention to the question of exactly who are we "taking direction" from and on what basis? Why?

Your second paragraph – you might have a point, but to be fair, the same could be said for pretty much every person in high office. (In other words: what's your control?) Even as a liberal, what bugs the heck out of me is that almost no Democratic politician/functionary has ever worked in the private sector in any meaningful way. How can they understand anything about the way the business world works, or should work?…

Even as a liberal, what bugs the heck out of me is that almost no Democratic politician/functionary has ever worked in the private sector in any meaningful way. How can they understand anything about the way the business world works, or should work? Answer: they don't.

the role of a government and role of a business have little in common and should seldom-to-never be mixed together. hence businessman should never be in politics and politicians should never go into business... and yet here we are - post-gov career many politicans find themselves in the business sector and now we have these amazing businessman that we are going to let run the government for the next couple of years. like asking a fat kid to handle distribution of apple pies :)

Re: Elon Musk, Vivek Ramaswamy call remote work a 'Covid-era privilege.'

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Post by drannex »

bdangubic wrote: post #17
drannex wrote: post #3

Which was highly successful, allowed for more productivity (the human species, like others, has performance gains when in comfortable and safe environments not befouled by exaggerated social animosities and fake niceties), aided those in marginalized (GSM, disabled) communities to complete work at the same level of interaction with others, and showed that most in-the-office activities are useless and hurts workers em…

tl;dr: They just want to spy on and control their employees, guessing you are not a govie but EVERYTHING we do is fully controlled, including keystroke capture software and every other imaginable software you can think of that can tell exactly what you are doing every single second of the work day (or night)... it is even easier to spy and control remote workers than at-office workers - I have to do EVERYTHING now on…

Trust me, the kind of surveillance they do on a corporate level, in office, is far more intrusive than you would ever believe.

There should be laws to protect workers like this, but this won't happen as it hurts the corporations in charge.

Re: Elon Musk, Vivek Ramaswamy call remote work a 'Covid-era privilege.'

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Post by bdangubic »

drannex wrote: post #19
bdangubic wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

tl;dr: They just want to spy on and control their employees, guessing you are not a govie but EVERYTHING we do is fully controlled, including keystroke capture software and every other imaginable software you can think of that can tell exactly what you are doing every single second of the work day (or night)... it is even easier to spy and control remote workers than at-office workers - I have to do EVERYTHING now on…

Trust me, the kind of surveillance they do on a corporate level, in office, is far more intrusive than you would ever believe. There should be laws to protect workers like this, but this won't happen as it hurts the corporations in charge.

not sure what they can do extra at the office other than put cameras in the bathroom :)

our lives and work are mostly digital so honestly I don’t think surveillance is that much more prevalent in the office.

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