Assuming everything the OP says about the incident is true, why would the French police not help ?
Physical assault by McDonald's for wearing Digital Eye Glass
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Re: Physical assault by McDonald's for wearing Digital Eye Glass
#432Earlier quoted context omitted.
> What if he was a complete jerk? Even if he was most jerkiest jerk telling sh*t about their mothers nothing justifies physical attack and destruction of property. If you can't restrain yoursef from physically attacking people and tearing their papers when they open they mouths you shouldn't be working where people are present.
Where did I say that the attack was justified? I only said that it is quite possible that he is being inconsiderate and inviting friction due to his insistence in forcing his tech upon everyone around him. What we don't know is what really happened between him and the staff other than his account of it. I very seriously doubt that someone resorted to physically attacking him out of nowhere (as he seems to present it)…
> Where did I say that the attack was justified?
Where did I say that you've said that the attack was justified?
I just commented on your claim (if I got you properly) that him potentially being a jerk has any relevance to the judgment about what happened.
> I only said that it is quite possible that he is being inconsiderate and inviting friction due to his insistence in forcing his tech upon everyone around him.
He doesn't complain about someone telling him his inconsiderate or giving him a stinkeye. He complains about getting assaulted.
> What we don't know is what really happened between him and the staff other than his account of it.
If he haven't assaulted anyone then this is irrelevant. IMHO as always.
> I very seriously doubt that someone resorted to physically attacking him out of nowhere (as he seems to present it) without some provocation.
I have my close friends very recent account of exactly that kind of situation. She was walking on the sidewalk with her 9mo baby in a stroller. There was a truck across the sidewalk standing and waiting to enter the property via gate that was wide open. She asked the driver to move but he refused. He said he has delivery to make here but he has to wait in front of open gate because the woman who lives here is crazy. Since the curb was high and road wide she decided to wait to talk to the women about the guy at her service blocking the sidewalk. As the women came my friend entered her property and started talking to the women. Women said "Get the fck out.", my friend said "Wait a moment!" then the women grabbed my friend and her stroller and pulled her inside (fortunately baby was properly secured in the stroller otherwise he might fall out during the struggle). Woman told my friend "So now stay here!" locked the gate and walked a way. My friend was in shock and called the Police. As she was talking to the Police the woman yelled again "Get the fck out." and after a while opened the gate. Police came, my friend described the whole situation. Police asked my friend if she wants to formally charge the woman with assault or if she just wants theem to scare her little bit. My friend chose the second option. In her own words, her world view got seriously shaken that day.
I hope that you'll never experience first-hand that physical attack by ordinary people is not always reasonably provoked.
Disclaimer: Story didn't happen in the US. No "my home is may castle" here. If you leave the door open anyone can get in and you can only ask them to leave or call the Police to make them leave.
Re: Physical assault by McDonald's for wearing Digital Eye Glass
#433Earlier quoted context omitted.
Lots of British people consider themselves British first, European second. Or Welsh people consider themselves Welsh first, British second. People from Catalonia, may not consider themselves Spanish. Someone born in Ireland to Irish parents, but lived all their life in England might consider themselves Irish, not English. Europe. It's a melting pot, always has been. There are lots of flexible definitions of nationali…
Its not useful to include the British to imbue some meaning to the conversation. I single out British because although they claim to a governance described as unitary parliamentary constitutional monarchy they have some of the most decidedly backward understandings on race (esp race-based-class), ethnic origins (Highlanders vs rest), religious denominations (Protestant-Catholic strife) & the concept of nationhood in…
Wow, you're kind of on a roll here.
> their outlook on these matters is striking and confused
Specifically are you referring to the outlook of politicians, the media, or some other entity? I know you started with 'the British' but surely you're not making sweeping generalisations about the 60 million people who live in the UK. That would be a wee bit racist don't you think?
Re: Physical assault by McDonald's for wearing Digital Eye Glass
#434Earlier quoted context omitted.
In France, taking a picture of a stranger can be compared to entering his home, unannounced, and helping yourself with the content of his fridge. The reaction can be mild "Hey, WTF??" to aggressive (being punched in the face). In the US, if you go to the police saying "I entered this guy's home and took a Coke from his fridge, and next thing you know he punched me!! For a can of Coke!?! Can you believe that! Please a…
French student in law here. And you're so wrong it's painful to read. Police isn't acting, because damages are small, not a single ITT probably (ITT is the measure of personal damages in french law), little damage to a gadget, and the guy is not French, so the case will probably never go anywhere. That's probably why police didn't react. Not because he was considered the perpetrator... Actually the French law is tota…
I wasn't talking about the law, but about customs; and the letter of the law doesn't mean much anyways -- what matters is how it's enforced.
But according to the letter of the law you appear to be mistaken: article 222-13 of the Penal Code says the exact opposite of what you make it say.
Article 222-11 says that acts of violence resulting in more than 8 days of "ITT" (incapacité totale de travail) carry a penalty of up to 3 years in jail.
Article 222-13 says that acts of violence resulting in less than 8 days of ITT carry the same penalty if and only if they satisfy one of 18 special cases.
This means that acts of violence that
1/ result in up to 7 days of ITT (total work inability)
2/ do not satisfy any of the 18 special cases
don't carry any penalty AT ALL.
http://www.legifrance.gouv.fr/affichCodeArticle.do?idArticle...
In plain English: if two adults fight and the fight doesn't result in one of them being unable to work for more than a week, then no one can be charged with anything.
Re: Physical assault by McDonald's for wearing Digital Eye Glass
#435Earlier quoted context omitted.
This getting ridiculous. I've experienced aggressive behaviour from a lot of white Australians. Should I make a judgement of the entire population based on those anecdotal experiences? Aggression is everywhere, it has very little to do with your cultural heritage unless you're a bloody Spartan. If you want don't want to be quiet about your racial prejudices, go find a forum for it. There should be plenty of mindless…
"it has very little to do with your cultural heritage unless you're a bloody Spartan." The fact that you acknowledge that there exists a culture whose adherents are more prone to be adversarial means you accept OP's point.
No, it means my example is the exception, not the rule. Nice try.
Re: Physical assault by McDonald's for wearing Digital Eye Glass
#436No one at an ordinary McDonald's would even notice such a device. Ergo this was not an ordinary McDonald's, but one with security people looking for cameras. Why would a McDonald's have security people looking for cameras? Possibly because it was a mafia front. If you wanted to launder money, a fast food restaurant in a popular location would be a good place to do it. The way the employees behaved is consistent with…
"Possibly because it was a mafia front. If you wanted to launder money, a fast food restaurant in a popular location"
There are many easier ways to launder money then to do it while operating a McDonalds (which has pretty high vetting for franchises. It's not trivial to be awarded a McDonalds franchise and certainly not in a top location). And most importantly if you are doing something illegal the last thing you want to do is to draw attention to yourself. Not to mention the fact that even if they were laundering money they wouldn't exactly have much to hide from pictures from a random guy with a weird head device.
Re: Physical assault by McDonald's for wearing Digital Eye Glass
#437Earlier quoted context omitted.
>It's quite simple actually : you're french if you're born on french soil or if one of your parents was french. according to the wikipedia (which, of course, is not always correct) that is not an or but an and (at least, until the age of majority.) Even assuming that the wikipedia is correct in this case, there is a big difference between automatically gaining citizenship on your 18th birthday, and having a 'path to…
Well, it has changed a lot, but you've got it. The Code civil articles 19 to 19-4 states that you are not French by birthright. If you were born in France, you become French at the age of 18 (automatically, no question asked) if you have lived at least 5 years (no need to continuity) in France since you're 11 (21-7 Code civil). And you can renounce to your french nationality in the 12 months after the automatic acqui…
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Re: Physical assault by McDonald's for wearing Digital Eye Glass
#438Earlier quoted context omitted.
>It's quite simple actually : you're french if you're born on french soil or if one of your parents was french. according to the wikipedia (which, of course, is not always correct) that is not an or but an and (at least, until the age of majority.) Even assuming that the wikipedia is correct in this case, there is a big difference between automatically gaining citizenship on your 18th birthday, and having a 'path to…
Well, it has changed a lot, but you've got it. The Code civil articles 19 to 19-4 states that you are not French by birthright. If you were born in France, you become French at the age of 18 (automatically, no question asked) if you have lived at least 5 years (no need to continuity) in France since you're 11 (21-7 Code civil). And you can renounce to your french nationality in the 12 months after the automatic acqui…
In America, many of what I would call the far right are advocating a similar system whereby you aren't granted citizenship at birth if your parents are not citizens, but gain it later on in order to fight "anchor babies" - the idea being that right now, if you are "undocumented" and you have a kid on US soil, the kid is an American right away, and sure, if you are a citizen, your mom can stay and take care of you, and as part of that, your mom gains a reasonable path to citizenship. (US immigration policy seems to be centred around uniting families.)
My reading of the French law makes it look like it would solve this "problem" as the kid isn't french, so you can deport the kid and their parents. Out of curiosity, am I reading that right? that if two undocumented immigrants have a kid and the authorities deport the newborn and the parents and manage keep them out of the country until the kid is 18, the kid is not french at all, even though she was born on french soil?
Re: Physical assault by McDonald's for wearing Digital Eye Glass
#439This particular McDonalds has been at the centre of SO many protests turned violent, anti-americanist attacks & incidents that I'm pretty sure the staff are permanently suspicious of anything or anyone out of the norm. I too have been to this particular McDonalds & the sheer volume of people that pass through the doors I'm surprised they don't have a more professional security team with the intelligence to differentiate on a customer by customer basis.
I also totally agree that any form of photography in Paris (either close up to an individual store front or inside) will cause immediate confrontation.
There is some irony in this story, that McDonalds' objection to recording images in their store actually gave the Eye Glass wearer a reason to use the images captured. An incident was caused by them trying to attempt to viciously stop what they perceived as a threat.
Re: Physical assault by McDonald's for wearing Digital Eye Glass
#440Earlier quoted context omitted.
> the more people wonder whether French of Moroccan > extraction really are French or Moroccan, the less > French they are I'm not saying that it's right to try and exclude them. It's just as stupid as the people in American that want to shutdown immigration to 'dirty foreigners' (forgetting that their ancestors were 'dirty foreigners'). Someone that was originally from Morocco shouldn't be consider 'less French' tha…
The "country of origin" is very debatable. I consider myself Uruguayan because I was born here, but my great-grandparents were German. However, someone in Tuscany was asked, and he said "my family has only been here for four centuries". Should someone like Zidane be considered French, or "French of Algerian extraction"? By the tuscanian's perspective, there are no Americans, only "American of Irish extraction" and so…
> San Diego University
Which? We have several, none of which is called "San Diego University."