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Elon Musk, Vivek Ramaswamy call remote work a 'Covid-era privilege.'

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Re: Elon Musk, Vivek Ramaswamy call remote work a 'Covid-era privilege.'

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So does this misleadingly-named private think-tank have any actual data or math to support this idea that forcing federal workers to commute would truly reduce government spending?

It sounds like the duo are blithely declaring it because they want the US government to (inefficiently, corruptly) pick a policy that makes it easier for them to push the same ideas at private companies they are invested in.

Plus there's a profound lack of moral suasion here. I mean, this is coming from ultra-privileged people with private jets, chauffeurs to drive them, multiple homes with home-offices, and probably an abysmal metric of "max workdays making the same commute in 2024".

Re: Elon Musk, Vivek Ramaswamy call remote work a 'Covid-era privilege.'

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Which was highly successful, allowed for more productivity (the human species, like others, has performance gains when in comfortable and safe environments not befouled by exaggerated social animosities and fake niceties), aided those in marginalized (GSM, disabled) communities to complete work at the same level of interaction with others, and showed that most in-the-office activities are useless and hurts workers emotionally/physically.

The problem for them? They can't spy on and control your employees, which is what they want. They don't want their workers to have freedom, they want them to be slaves both in mentality and time, the most valuable aspects of our limited lives. This, with the added benefit, that anyone who doesn't "tow-the-line" will quit, reducing severance packages, etc. It's a harassment tactic to not pay out and force others to quit.

Perhaps those two should be required to be in a single office, all day, every day. Oh - that's right! They won't because it's a fucking nightmare and a waste of time, they are both paranoid messes and want to ensure they can track everything and everyone at all times. Must be great to be at the top to stifle the bottom.

tl;dr: They just want to spy on and control their employees, they know that remote working is highly effective, as they and their executive teams all do it, they just don't want others to have what used to be 'their special executive privilege'.

Re: Elon Musk, Vivek Ramaswamy call remote work a 'Covid-era privilege.'

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I've been working remotely for over a decade as a consultant/contractor. Contracts have almost always had remote options available. Remote FTE work when I started was almost non-existent. I remember turning down multiple offers because they wouldn't allow me to work remotely.

The main issue I see is that many businesses just aren't equipped to manage employees remotely. Covid forced their hand and it worked in some cases.

If you want to work remotely, start contracting and have it in your contract (I do).

Begging companies to change their mind on it will only go so far.

Re: Elon Musk, Vivek Ramaswamy call remote work a 'Covid-era privilege.'

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I've been fully remote since 2017 and worked REALLY hard to be able to gain the trust and obtain the privilege from the employer who let me try it out. One other person tried it at that company before COVID, following my pattern but failed to be productive at home and didn't earn said privilege. They even admitted that they just didn't get much done. It's not for everyone.

When the whole world went remote during COVID I knew most of the people doing so were not adequately prepared (through no fault of their own to be fair) and others would game the system and eventually the suits would come for all remote workers. Seems to be happening now.

Re: Elon Musk, Vivek Ramaswamy call remote work a 'Covid-era privilege.'

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So does this misleadingly-named private think-tank have any actual data or math to support this idea that forcing federal workers to commute would truly reduce government spending ? It sounds like the duo are blithely declaring it because they want the US government to (inefficiently, corruptly) pick a policy that makes it easier for them to push the same ideas at private companies they are invested in. Plus there's…

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Re: Elon Musk, Vivek Ramaswamy call remote work a 'Covid-era privilege.'

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It's worth a 20 minute rabbit hole dive to research Vivek's background a bit. Compare his accomplishments to the accolades (seemingly?) heaped on him. Love or hate Musk, his remarkable qualifications are undeniable. They are not the same breed of animal.

I put this out there simply to draw some attention to the question of exactly who are we "taking direction" from and on what basis? Why?

Re: Elon Musk, Vivek Ramaswamy call remote work a 'Covid-era privilege.'

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It's worth a 20 minute rabbit hole dive to research Vivek's background a bit. Compare his accomplishments to the accolades (seemingly?) heaped on him. Love or hate Musk, his remarkable qualifications are undeniable. They are not the same breed of animal. I put this out there simply to draw some attention to the question of exactly who are we "taking direction" from and on what basis? Why?

TBF he has a blog.

Re: Elon Musk, Vivek Ramaswamy call remote work a 'Covid-era privilege.'

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Our company went completely remote. Turns out it was a ruse to layoff everyone and offshore 70% of the company to India.

As a remote worker, I think the move to remote work is a little naïve. From a company's perspective, if a faceless person from Iowa can do the job just as effectively as someone on site, then you may as well commit and get someone from Bangalore who can do it even cheaper. This middle ground argument that you need to be open to talent from anywhere, but that you should still pay a premium for domestic talent makes no sense to an emotionless organization.

That said, the feudalistic tech management bros that makes these decisions needs to get their heads out of their butts. The problem isn't just that people don't want to go into the office - it's that the cities these jobs are in are overstuffed and underplanned and suck to raise a family.

Having only 6-7 job markets in the entire US for tech workers continues to be dumb and short-sighted, both for cost effeciency as well as the politics of it.

Re: Elon Musk, Vivek Ramaswamy call remote work a 'Covid-era privilege.'

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This is very clearly an attempt to get government employees to quit. They are not shy about stating that. It is hard to fire civil servants, and this is an attempt to get around civil service protections.

Whether you agree or disagree that we need to downsize the government drastically and whether this is an ethical way to achieve that goal is a personal opinion. One every American has a right to have.

This has nothing to do with the standard "WFH is good or bad style" conversations on here regularly.

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