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Re: Rails for everything

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Post by lolc »

sroerick wrote: post #120
Kerrick wrote: post #7

Since Rails 8 I’ve even found myself using Rails + Sitepress over a static site generator. Kamal makes it really easy to run multiple lightweight sites on a cheap VPS writing even less configuration than Nginx, so it saves time up front. Plus, nearly every static site ends up with someone saying, “oh I wish I could ____, but it’s a static site.” Instead of needing to pick a client-side-only solution, use a third part…

> Kamal makes it really easy to run multiple lightweight sites on a cheap VPS writing even less configuration than Nginx, so it saves time up front. Save me from my free tier GitHub pages / Netlify / SaaS hell. This is the hottest tip in this thread imo

> Save me from my free tier GitHub pages / Netlify / SaaS hell.

Depends on how you like your hell: Now you're on the hook for security updates to the full stack.

Re: Rails for everything

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Post by funny_falcon »

teleforce wrote: post #135
rednafi wrote: post #47

Rails is awesome, and so is Django. I’ve built mission-critical apps in both and still do with Python. That said, I’d love to switch to Go for building large monoliths since it has a tighter type system and better concurrency constructs. The problem is, Go community has never really filled that gap. I love Go, but the whole "Go doesn’t need a Rails or Django" mindset is part of why it hasn’t taken off in this space.…

The author of Stanza language has this insightful article on the viability of a programming language for creating a powerful framework like Ruby on Rails [1]. Surprisingly there's no Go and Java equivalent, either it's the incompetence of the programming languages (can't) or the programmers (won't), or both. [1] Stop Designing Languages. Write Libraries Instead: http://lbstanza.org/purpose_of_programming_languages.ht…

Do you use stanza?

Re: Rails for everything

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Post by wiseowise »

nickjj wrote: post #174

One thing I don't get about the current Rails direction is pushing hard to use SQLite and removing external dependencies but at the same time also advocating to use Docker. Running Postgres and Redis in Docker is a matter of adding a few lines of YAML to a file once and never thinking about it again. I have done this for 10 years, it is painless. I'm all for reducing moving parts and would also choose the same strate…

> I have done this for 10 years

> it is painless

Huh, I wonder why.

Re: Rails for everything

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Post by neonsunset »

rednafi wrote: post #131
WuxiFingerHold wrote: post #108

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I was looking for a mature, complete and powerful statically typed stack as well. ASP.NET was my clear answer (not Go or Rust). There's a lot of noise coming from Microsoft to sell their new products (this year: Aspire.NET). But don't be mislead by this noise: .NET Core (C#, ASP.NET Minimal API or MVC, EF Core) is more batteries included and reliable than most other options. The only gripe I have is the need to get i…

The problem is finding fresh blood who want to write C#. RoR or Django is a much safer choice in that regard. This OO/DI stuff has fallen out of fashion (whether that’s good or bad, I don’t know) and very few enjoy working with these constructs anymore.

Have you ever had to actually hire?

Re: Rails for everything

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Post by wiseowise »

I always read how great Ruby/Rails are, but learning language just for one thing (Rails) rubs me up the wrong way. Especially when alternative (Python) is so much more useful (on a surface) and Django can do the job of Rails (while not as good or nice as Rails (from what I gathered), but still). Kinda like learning Dart for Flutter.

Those of you who struggled with the same dilemma, what did you do?

Re: Rails for everything

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Post by samtheprogram »

sroerick wrote: post #114
samtheprogram wrote: post #64

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I took a pay -loss- to maintain a Rails app for a client with a small budget, about 4 years ago on an outdated app using Ruby 2.3. Super happy with the decision. It’s too easy to add features or upgrade the app and I love working in the codebase.

Shot in the dark here, drupal dev?

Heh, no. Full Stack with a lot of NextJS/React/ReactNative these days. Sprinkle in a Spring Boot + Angular project and this Rails gig. I also spent a few years doing Obj-C/Swift iOS development.

Rails was one of the first web frameworks I learned after PHP and it and Ruby were always favorites of mine.

Closest I came to being a Drupal dev was shipping a small CodeIgniter app in around 2011 (right before picking up a Rails book).

Re: Rails for everything

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Post by jaynetics »

wiseowise wrote: post #196

I always read how great Ruby/Rails are, but learning language just for one thing (Rails) rubs me up the wrong way. Especially when alternative (Python) is so much more useful (on a surface) and Django can do the job of Rails (while not as good or nice as Rails (from what I gathered), but still). Kinda like learning Dart for Flutter. Those of you who struggled with the same dilemma, what did you do?

As others have pointed out, there are many use cases for ruby. It's probably the best choice for scripts (rake, optparse, fileutils, ...). There's embedded stuff (mruby), music (Sonic Pi), cross-platform GUI apps (e.g. glimmer), game development, and much more.

But I'd be interested to know where Python is more useful, apart from science, data science, ML, AI, and such.

Re: Rails for everything

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Post by WD-42 »

wmoxam wrote: post #73
WD-42 wrote: post #55

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RoR's ecosystem is indeed massive - for web apps. But if you want to make an app that integrates with an existing domain, Python is just so far ahead. Numpy, SciPy, Pandas, basically the entire field of astronomy and biology, data science and FinTech... the list goes on. But if you are sticking to basic web/database stuff it's hard to go wrong with RoR.

All of that extra stuff can still use Python and integrate easily with an RoR app. Typically your astronomy/biology/ata science stuff isn't needed in the context of a request and is done asynchronously

This is just not true. I’ve worked with many scientists, none of them want some complicated micro service architecture they have to deal with. They just want a page that displays their data or whatever, and that means using Django or flask and using whatever library they write directly. Most people haven’t even heard of ruby.

Re: Rails for everything

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Post by wmoxam »

WD-42 wrote: post #199
wmoxam wrote: post #73

Earlier quoted context omitted.

All of that extra stuff can still use Python and integrate easily with an RoR app. Typically your astronomy/biology/ata science stuff isn't needed in the context of a request and is done asynchronously

This is just not true. I’ve worked with many scientists, none of them want some complicated micro service architecture they have to deal with. They just want a page that displays their data or whatever, and that means using Django or flask and using whatever library they write directly. Most people haven’t even heard of ruby.

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