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Re: Rails for everything

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Post by rednafi »

WuxiFingerHold wrote: post #108
rednafi wrote: post #47

Rails is awesome, and so is Django. I’ve built mission-critical apps in both and still do with Python. That said, I’d love to switch to Go for building large monoliths since it has a tighter type system and better concurrency constructs. The problem is, Go community has never really filled that gap. I love Go, but the whole "Go doesn’t need a Rails or Django" mindset is part of why it hasn’t taken off in this space.…

I was looking for a mature, complete and powerful statically typed stack as well. ASP.NET was my clear answer (not Go or Rust). There's a lot of noise coming from Microsoft to sell their new products (this year: Aspire.NET). But don't be mislead by this noise: .NET Core (C#, ASP.NET Minimal API or MVC, EF Core) is more batteries included and reliable than most other options. The only gripe I have is the need to get i…

The problem is finding fresh blood who want to write C#. RoR or Django is a much safer choice in that regard. This OO/DI stuff has fallen out of fashion (whether that’s good or bad, I don’t know) and very few enjoy working with these constructs anymore.

Re: Rails for everything

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Post by rednafi »

__MatrixMan__ wrote: post #87
rednafi wrote: post #86

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Go initially tried to capture the C/C++ space and failed miserably. Rob Pike lamented[^1] over that in a famous blog post. It got the most love from people coming from Python and Node. Then it became the defacto language for writing networking tools, and to this day, it holds that crown. Go is in an awkward spot—it’s not dethroning Python because it’s not as expressive, academics hate it, and it’s not as fast as Zig…

Go is best at interfacing with kubernetes, which I think will carry it pretty far, for better or worse.

Yeah, Go’s niche is networking. But it could be so much more. The language is nice and fast, and there’s no reason it can’t be a solid choice outside the microservice and tooling universe.

Re: Rails for everything

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Post by dzonga »

for auth - instead of devise or the rails 8 auth - you can also opt for authentication-zero.

what's hardly ever mentioned is how great hotwire is. it takes time getting used to, documentation is sparse but oh man oh man - hotwire is nice. you get to skip a majority of spa shenanigans.

Re: Rails for everything

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Post by bleuchase »

aantix wrote: post #125
nomilk wrote: post #76

> if you follow (the Rails Guides) start to finish, you'll have a Rails app in production. And it isn't just hello world. Your app will have authentication, caching, rich text, continuous integration, and a database. That's a real application. These features are great for established apps like GitHub and Airbnb, but if you're making a tiny startup, and want to test ideas quickly, I wouldn't spend time on CI, caching,…

If you're looking to build a SaaS app, start with a professionally curated Rails template. It will save you months of development time. Payments/Auth/etc are built in and there are solid patterns in place to extend from. Jumpstart Pro is great. https://jumpstartrails.com/ So is Bullet Train. https://bullettrain.co/

Do projects like Jumpstart Pro or Bullet Train exist for other languages? Like Go?

Re: Rails for everything

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Post by teleforce »

rednafi wrote: post #47

Rails is awesome, and so is Django. I’ve built mission-critical apps in both and still do with Python. That said, I’d love to switch to Go for building large monoliths since it has a tighter type system and better concurrency constructs. The problem is, Go community has never really filled that gap. I love Go, but the whole "Go doesn’t need a Rails or Django" mindset is part of why it hasn’t taken off in this space.…

The author of Stanza language has this insightful article on the viability of a programming language for creating a powerful framework like Ruby on Rails [1]. Surprisingly there's no Go and Java equivalent, either it's the incompetence of the programming languages (can't) or the programmers (won't), or both.

[1] Stop Designing Languages. Write Libraries Instead:

http://lbstanza.org/purpose_of_programming_languages.html

Re: Rails for everything

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Post by adhamsalama »

rednafi wrote: post #128
sroerick wrote: post #124

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WSGI was a learning curve for me

ASGI too. But it’s not too bad and tools like Starlette / FastAPI make it a breeze. Go servers are fast but generating docs from code is a lot more work which you get free in FastAPI.

https://huma.rocks/

https://github.com/go-fuego/fuego

Re: Rails for everything

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Post by weaksauce »

sroerick wrote: post #117
weaksauce wrote: post #9

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> The other glaring omission being an inbuilt admin interface -- which may have been added after I moved on. with scaffolding and other rails generators with custom templates is that really a big asset? might not look amazing out of the box but you can find css templates easy enough too. maybe they should make an admin generator but rails is king of crud and if you need it ootb you can use one of the many gems.

Django admin is particularly fantastic in the first 100 hours of a project. I think it offers a lot of the same developer experience and convenience that the rails generators do, though obviously in a different way.

I'm looking at the django admin interface and I see a very superficial admin interface. I am not sure why it's so lauded when the rails scaffold gives you 90% of that out of the box albeit in a style neutral way which is easy enough to gemify. are aesthetics what people are so craving for this? there's no search. nothing that stands out as a killer admin panel. I used to program django professionally around 2007ish and it doesn't seem like much has changed with the admin site... am i wrong?

Re: Rails for everything

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Post by tormak070707 »

rednafi wrote: post #131
WuxiFingerHold wrote: post #108

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I was looking for a mature, complete and powerful statically typed stack as well. ASP.NET was my clear answer (not Go or Rust). There's a lot of noise coming from Microsoft to sell their new products (this year: Aspire.NET). But don't be mislead by this noise: .NET Core (C#, ASP.NET Minimal API or MVC, EF Core) is more batteries included and reliable than most other options. The only gripe I have is the need to get i…

The problem is finding fresh blood who want to write C#. RoR or Django is a much safer choice in that regard. This OO/DI stuff has fallen out of fashion (whether that’s good or bad, I don’t know) and very few enjoy working with these constructs anymore.

That's true. Once upon a time when I was intern I was charmed with ASP .NET. Couple of years later I had opportunity to work with Django. Everything looked so batteries included, felt hackable and syntax was friendlier to me (Only exception ORM). Unfortunately project got on hold and I was moved to write new service in ASP .NET. Holding mental model of Dependency Injections, everything OOP, boilerplate produced is cumbersome, CamelCase...

Re: Rails for everything

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Post by [deleted] »

boredtofears wrote: post #102
nomilk wrote: post #76

> if you follow (the Rails Guides) start to finish, you'll have a Rails app in production. And it isn't just hello world. Your app will have authentication, caching, rich text, continuous integration, and a database. That's a real application. These features are great for established apps like GitHub and Airbnb, but if you're making a tiny startup, and want to test ideas quickly, I wouldn't spend time on CI, caching,…

CI should speed your development up, not slow it down. It's definitely something you should add earlier to the project than later.

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