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Ask HN: Does the Framework laptop stand the test of time?

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Re: Ask HN: Does the Framework laptop stand the test of time?

#11
I ultimately sold mine (launch model). The hardware was....fine. Battery life on Linux was disappointing, battery life on Windows was tolerable but less than a Surface device. I missed having a touchscreen though that wasn't a dealbreaker.

No one thing was the breaking point, I just found myself reaching for my other laptops more as they would more reliably have power after sitting for a while.

If I wanted a Linux device I would give it a look today, but its battery life and general UX are significantly behind a Surface Laptop or Macbook Air/Pro, so no, I wouldn't buy one as my sole laptop.

Re: Ask HN: Does the Framework laptop stand the test of time?

#12
I bought mine in September. Overall, a big disappointment, the battery is less than mediocre (under linux). Unfortunately I missed the refund window.

I bought it after using a mac m1, so i was somehow under impression that i am buying a laptop to be used during a train ride, or watching a movie in a bed. It's none of that, i bought another "movable desktop pc".

Everything else is OK.

Re: Ask HN: Does the Framework laptop stand the test of time?

#13
Instead of contributing to more electronic waste and as an economic purchase, I...

use used ThinkPads.

Advantages:

Zero new electronic waste created.

Several 'new' machines are cheaper than a Framework.

Small upgrades plentiful and cheap. A major upgrade of a'new' machine still cheaper and more environmentally friendly than a Framework.

Better battery life, keyboard, ergonomic design, ports, hinges LOL, etc.

Try one today: ebay.com

Re: Ask HN: Does the Framework laptop stand the test of time?

#14

I have one, still my main laptop and I don't see a reason to change that. Battery life is better than any other laptop I've had, though that may say more about my other laptops than the Framework. Biggest gripe: no touchscreen and, despite open specs, still no aftermarket touchscreen several years later.

> Battery life is better than any other laptop I've had

3-4 hours like https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42564335 ?

Re: Ask HN: Does the Framework laptop stand the test of time?

#15
post #12

I bought mine in September. Overall, a big disappointment, the battery is less than mediocre (under linux). Unfortunately I missed the refund window. I bought it after using a mac m1, so i was somehow under impression that i am buying a laptop to be used during a train ride, or watching a movie in a bed. It's none of that, i bought another "movable desktop pc". Everything else is OK.

> or watching a movie in a bed

The battery doesn't last the length of a movie? Are you getting hardware decoding of the video?

Re: Ask HN: Does the Framework laptop stand the test of time?

#16

Instead of contributing to more electronic waste and as an economic purchase, I... use used ThinkPads. Advantages: Zero new electronic waste created. Several 'new' machines are cheaper than a Framework. Small upgrades plentiful and cheap. A major upgrade of a'new' machine still cheaper and more environmentally friendly than a Framework. Better battery life, keyboard, ergonomic design, ports, hinges LOL, etc. Try one…

ThinkPads often come up in these discussions but does not the same apply for example for business versions of Dell laptops? Such as Latitude and Precision. I kept one alive for almost ten years, occasionally replacing parts with secondhand parts. It still works perfectly but I have it as a spare now.

Re: Ask HN: Does the Framework laptop stand the test of time?

#17
I bought an Intel i7 like 2 years ago. My takeaways:

- I would rather buy a MacBook now, the whole ecosystem is nicer. This is not Framework’s fault, Apple’s ecosystem just works and at some point you just want stuff that works. I absolutely love the AirPods and there’s always some minor annoyances when pairing with the laptop.

- The removable port adapters are nice but not that useful in reality. I occasionally change the charging port to the other side to make charging easier in different spaces. The HDMI adapter sometimes needs to be removed and reinserted which sucks.

- The build quality is good enough. I wouldn’t expect any less from any laptop at that price point.

- I believe the main selling point was that you could switch parts easily. However, I don’t see myself performing any major upgrade like changing the mobo/cpu. Those upgrades are fairly expensive. Also, I don’t see myself building stuff with a spare mobo/cpu.

- Given the previous point, I wouldn’t say this laptop is going to last me longer than any other high quality laptop. I have a Sony VAIO that is still working after more than a decade. I expect the same of this laptop and I expect the same of any high end laptop.

- speakers suck.

Overall I think the concept is really nice and I am glad that I supported the company. However, I think that making conventional laptops more repairable is good enough. Full modularity is a cool concept but it does seem to have a lot of drawbacks. Give me the ability to easily change the hard drive, the RAM, the battery, the keyboard/trackpad and that is sufficient for me. Maybe the screen.

If you are really environmentally conscious I would say you can achieve something similar by buying a high end device, using it 5-8 years, and then sell it/gift it when you need to upgrade.

There’s also the argument that a perfectly good laptop can end in a trash bin because of a faulty port or something minor. But honestly, I have never had that happen. Either I’m just lucky or electronics at this price point are generally well built. Given that you did a bit of research before buying.

Re: Ask HN: Does the Framework laptop stand the test of time?

#18
I have 6 months with my FW16. Everything has been good so far, the laptop itself is overpriced but I'd say that the added value of repairability makes up for it. Will have to wait more time to see if they update the mainboard for the 16 inch model, but it has been a breeze so far.

Re: Ask HN: Does the Framework laptop stand the test of time?

#19

Be careful what people will write here. A lot will have buyer bias because they want to justify their purchase.

That's an interesting point. I've often heard the inverse: to beware of reviews from those who receive items for free, as few products are bad propositions when there is no associated cost.

Re: Ask HN: Does the Framework laptop stand the test of time?

#20
I used a Framework 13" as my daily driver for 3 years. I still have it, and now I also have a Framework 16", which has been my daily driver for the last six months.

The user serviceability and upgrade stories are real. The hardware isn't as svelte as Apple's, but mine has traveled all over the world and has yet to have any major issues. The one hardware failure I had was that the USB-C half of the charging cable on my 13" eventually broke after a few years of abuse, but that used to happen to me with Apple charging cables, too.

Framework has an active initiative to do outreach to different Linux distro communities and give them free hardware to help shore up compatibility. And, on that note, I haven't run into any Linux hardware compatibility issues (not with Pop!_OS, or more recently NixOS).

Speaking for myself, they have a loyal customer for as long as they continue to make this kind of hardware.

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