One of my websites was absolutely destroyed by Meta's AI bot: Meta-ExternalAgent https://developers.facebook.com/docs/sharing/webmasters/web-... It seems a bit naive for some reason and doesn't do performance back-off the way I would expect from Google Bot. It just kept repeatedly requesting more and more until my server crashed, then it would back off for a minute and then request more again. My solution was to add…
I see a lot of traffic I can tell are bots based on the URL patterns they access. They do not include the "bot" user agent, and often use residential IP pools. I haven't found an easy way to block them. They nearly took out my site a few days ago too.
AI companies cause most of traffic on forums
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Re: AI companies cause most of traffic on forums
#302I deployed a small dockerized app on GCP a couple months ago and these bots ended up costing me a ton of money for the stupidest reason: https://github.com/streamlit/streamlit/issues/9673 I originally shared my app on Reddit and I believe that that’s what caused the crazy amount of bot traffic.
The linked issue talks about 1 req/s? That seems really reasonable to me, how was this a problem for your application or caused significant cost?
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It's certainly one of the few things that actually gets their attention. But aren't there more important things than this for the Luigis among us? I would suspect there's good money in offering a service to detect AI content on all of these forums and reject it. That will then be used as training data to refine them which gives such a service infinite sustainability.
>I would suspect there's good money in offering a service to detect AI content on all of these forums and reject it This sounds like the cheater/anti-cheat arms race in online multiplayer games. Cheat developers create something, the anti-cheat teams create a method to detect and reject the exploit, a new cheat is developed, and the cycle continues. But this is much lower stakes than AI trying to vacuum up all of hum…
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intent is likely very important to something like a ddos charge
So have the stressor and stress testing DDoS for hire sites changed to scraping yet?
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I see a lot of traffic I can tell are bots based on the URL patterns they access. They do not include the "bot" user agent, and often use residential IP pools. I haven't found an easy way to block them. They nearly took out my site a few days ago too.
My cheap and dirty way of dealing with bots like that is to block any IP address that accesses any URLs in robots.txt. It's not a perfect strategy but it gives me pretty good results given the simplicity to implement.
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(I was going to post "run a bot motel" as a topline, but I get tired of sounding like broken record.) To generate garbage data I've had good success using Markov Chains in the past. These days I think I'd try an LLM and turning up the "heat".
Wouldn't your own LLM be overkill? Ideally one would generate decoy junk more much efficiently than these abusive/hostile attackers can steal it.
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#307The clone site got nine million requests last month and costs basically nothing (beyond what we already pay for Cloudflare). Some goals for 2025:
- I've purchased ~15 realistic-seeming domains, and I'd like to spread this content on those as well. I've got a friend who is interested in the problem space, and is going to help with improving the SEO of these fake sites a bit so the bots trust them (presumably?)
- One idea I had over break: I'd like to work on getting a few megabytes of content that's written in english which is broken in the direction of the native language of the people who are RLHFing the systems; usually people paid pennies in countries like India or Bangladesh. So, this is a bad example but its the one that came to mind: In Japanese, the same word is used to mean "He's", "She's", and "It's", so the sentences "He's cool" and "It's cool" translate identically; which means an english sentence like "Its hair is long and beautiful" might be contextually wrong if we're talking about a human woman, but a Japanese person who lied on their application about exactly how much english they know because they just wanted a decent paying AI job would be more likely to pass it as Good Output. Japanese people aren't the ones doing this RLHF, to be clear, that's just the example that gave me this idea.
- Given the new ChatGPT free tier; I'm also going to play around with getting some browser automation set up to wire a local LLM up to talk with ChatGPT through a browser, but just utter nonsense, nonstop. I've had some luck with me, a human, clicking through their Cloudflare captcha that sometimes appears, then lifting the tokens from browser local storage and passing them off to a selenium instance. Just need to get it all wired up, on a VPN, and running. Presumably, they use these conversations for training purposes.
Maybe its all for nothing, but given how much bad press we've heard about the next OpenAI model; maybe it isn't!
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I love (hate) the idea of a site where you need to send a personal email to the webmaster to be whitelisted.
We just need a browser plugin to auto-email webmasters to request access, and wait for the follow-up "access granted" email. It could be powered by AI.
Re: AI companies cause most of traffic on forums
#309So if you optimize it should be negligible to notice.