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Are there other examples of innovations flowing from veterinary medicine to human medicine?

Dog cancer is considered pretty similar to human cancer and sometimes treatment trials are done in dogs after they are done in mice and before they are done in humans.

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#32
How many of you glance at this website and think "fraud engine"? This is a fantastic vehicle to suck money out of people that love their pets, and love animals in general. I know nothing about these people, but my fraud alarms are screaming.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

> neoteny What domesticated animals were bread for "cuteness"? Cats are mice hunters. Most popular dog breeds were selected for killing and dog fight! That "big smile" is not for laughter, but to crush bones! And many domesticated animals can not even reproduce without human assistance. How they would survive in wild?

> What domesticated animals were bread for "cuteness"? Dogs. > Cats are mice hunters Cats blur the line between domestication and taming. > Most popular dog breeds were selected for killing and dog fight One can breed for more than one thing. (Dog fighting as a selection pressure is very modern and very limited.) Dogs literally evolved a muscle to make them more appealing to (and help them communicate with) humans [1…

Dog fighting is limited, but most dog breeds have been bred primarily for a specific practical purpose.

> Dogs literally evolved a muscle to make them more appealing to (and help them communicate with) humans

Not necessarily exactly cuteness. The other explanation suggested is better communication in general - by exposing the whites of their eyes we can see what they are looking at, which is an important cue for humans (we use it between ourselves too) to indicate the direction of attention.

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#34

How many of you glance at this website and think "fraud engine"? This is a fantastic vehicle to suck money out of people that love their pets, and love animals in general. I know nothing about these people, but my fraud alarms are screaming.

Well study participants aren't charged. Maybe it's fraud against those who are funding it, but the pet owners themselves are not the current target.

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#35
post #34

How many of you glance at this website and think "fraud engine"? This is a fantastic vehicle to suck money out of people that love their pets, and love animals in general. I know nothing about these people, but my fraud alarms are screaming.

Well study participants aren't charged. Maybe it's fraud against those who are funding it, but the pet owners themselves are not the current target.

I'd examine this much deeper before engaging. It's far too consumer targeted, far too feel good. I would not be surprised if "becoming a partner" or "community scientist" required fees or more.

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#36
Obviously most people disagree, but I don't think we should search for medical advances that make life significantly longer. We should search for ideas that make the finite life on this planet significantly better. A longer life is dangerous. If people could live 150 or 200 years that will make the problems on this planet much worse since the desire to accumulate wealth over that time would be insane.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

> neoteny What domesticated animals were bread for "cuteness"? Cats are mice hunters. Most popular dog breeds were selected for killing and dog fight! That "big smile" is not for laughter, but to crush bones! And many domesticated animals can not even reproduce without human assistance. How they would survive in wild?

> What domesticated animals were bread for "cuteness"? Dogs. > Cats are mice hunters Cats blur the line between domestication and taming. > Most popular dog breeds were selected for killing and dog fight One can breed for more than one thing. (Dog fighting as a selection pressure is very modern and very limited.) Dogs literally evolved a muscle to make them more appealing to (and help them communicate with) humans [1…

> Dogs literally evolved a muscle to make them more appealing to (and help them communicate with) humans [1].

This scene from an 1953 Tom and Jerry of Spike teaching Tyke what it means to be a dog seems prescient: https://youtu.be/jnW48TihBR0?t=50s

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#38

Obviously most people disagree, but I don't think we should search for medical advances that make life significantly longer. We should search for ideas that make the finite life on this planet significantly better. A longer life is dangerous. If people could live 150 or 200 years that will make the problems on this planet much worse since the desire to accumulate wealth over that time would be insane.

> Obviously most people disagree, but I don't think we should search for medical advances that make life significantly longer.

I'd say we should search for medical advances that improve health span, not lifespan.

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#39

Obviously most people disagree, but I don't think we should search for medical advances that make life significantly longer. We should search for ideas that make the finite life on this planet significantly better. A longer life is dangerous. If people could live 150 or 200 years that will make the problems on this planet much worse since the desire to accumulate wealth over that time would be insane.

If I consider the global society I will be living in, I would prefer to see what an extra 30-50 years of high cognitive function for the people most rewarded by our current system produces, rather than trying to define what a good finite life is from some authoritarian.

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#40

Obviously most people disagree, but I don't think we should search for medical advances that make life significantly longer. We should search for ideas that make the finite life on this planet significantly better. A longer life is dangerous. If people could live 150 or 200 years that will make the problems on this planet much worse since the desire to accumulate wealth over that time would be insane.

If I consider the global society I will be living in, I would prefer to see what an extra 30-50 years of high cognitive function for the people most rewarded by our current system produces, rather than trying to define what a good finite life is from some authoritarian.

> for the people most rewarded by our current system

This includes people like Elon Musk and Mark Zuckerberg, who would make the world better off by the cognitive nonexistance.

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