Deepseek: The quiet giant leading China’s AI race
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Deepseek: The quiet giant leading China’s AI race
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#2> Liang Wenfeng: We believe that as the economy develops, China should gradually become a contributor instead of freeriding. In the past 30+ years of the IT wave, we basically didn’t participate in real technological innovation. We’re used to Moore’s Law falling out of the sky, lying at home waiting 18 months for better hardware and software to emerge. That’s how the Scaling Law is being treated.
Re: Deepseek: The quiet giant leading China’s AI race
#3Impressive to think about how DeepSeek achieved: ~ Parity with o1 and Claude with > 10x less resources.
Better algorithms and approaches are what's needed for the next step of ML.
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#4Impressive to think about how DeepSeek achieved: ~ Parity with o1 and Claude with > 10x less resources. Better algorithms and approaches are what's needed for the next step of ML.
While impressive, the deepseek models aren't really "on par" with either oAI or Anthropic offerings, right now. The models seem to be a bit overfitted in the post-training step. They are very "stubborn" models, and usually handle tasks well if they can handle them, but steering them is quite difficult. As a result, they score very well on various benchmarks, but often times perform slightly worse in real-life scenarios.
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#6I feel the GPU restrictions created an environment for Chinese Devs to be more innovative and do more with less.
Kudos to the deepseek team!
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#8Impressive to think about how DeepSeek achieved: ~ Parity with o1 and Claude with > 10x less resources. Better algorithms and approaches are what's needed for the next step of ML.
While impressive, the deepseek models aren't really "on par" with either oAI or Anthropic offerings, right now. The models seem to be a bit overfitted in the post-training step. They are very "stubborn" models, and usually handle tasks well if they can handle them, but steering them is quite difficult. As a result, they score very well on various benchmarks, but often times perform slightly worse in real-life scenari…
The blind test at lmarena.ai does give it a higher Elo than GPT-4o (API), Claude, and Gemini 1.5 Pro. It seems that people do enter real-life scenarios in the arena.
Re: Deepseek: The quiet giant leading China’s AI race
#9Impressive to think about how DeepSeek achieved: ~ Parity with o1 and Claude with > 10x less resources. Better algorithms and approaches are what's needed for the next step of ML.
While impressive, the deepseek models aren't really "on par" with either oAI or Anthropic offerings, right now. The models seem to be a bit overfitted in the post-training step. They are very "stubborn" models, and usually handle tasks well if they can handle them, but steering them is quite difficult. As a result, they score very well on various benchmarks, but often times perform slightly worse in real-life scenari…
I found deepseek very useful at coding with Aider. On par with claude.
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#10If you tell the world that eggs are awesome while denying other countries access to eggs, they discover ways to use less eggs and eventually realize they don't need eggs at all. Then you are stuck making Dennys breakfasts while the rest of the world is on to fine dining.
China has incredibly strong incentives to do the pure research needed to break the current GPU-or-else lock. I hope, for science' sake, we dont end up gunning down each others mathematicians on the streets of Vienna like certain nuclear physicists seem to go.