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Re: Dog Aging Project

#11

Post by jasdi »

Animal domestication is really wild. So we first select for neoteny (playfulness, dependency on caregiver, physical features people like) basically prolonging the juvenile state. Then we put them in controlled environments of abundance, were all their needs are met. Which further diminishes need to reach adult state (with traits like aggressiveness to compete for resources). This abundance causes them to mature/breed earlier and reproduce more than in the wild. Basically a population of children that can produce children. Then we want this population of children to live longer.

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#15

Post by throw839298 »

jasdi wrote: post #11

Animal domestication is really wild. So we first select for neoteny (playfulness, dependency on caregiver, physical features people like) basically prolonging the juvenile state. Then we put them in controlled environments of abundance, were all their needs are met. Which further diminishes need to reach adult state (with traits like aggressiveness to compete for resources). This abundance causes them to mature/breed…

> neoteny

What domesticated animals were bread for "cuteness"? Cats are mice hunters. Most popular dog breeds were selected for killing and dog fight! That "big smile" is not for laughter, but to crush bones!

And many domesticated animals can not even reproduce without human assistance. How they would survive in wild?

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#16

Post by blueflow »

throw839298 wrote: post #15
jasdi wrote: post #11

Animal domestication is really wild. So we first select for neoteny (playfulness, dependency on caregiver, physical features people like) basically prolonging the juvenile state. Then we put them in controlled environments of abundance, were all their needs are met. Which further diminishes need to reach adult state (with traits like aggressiveness to compete for resources). This abundance causes them to mature/breed…

> neoteny What domesticated animals were bread for "cuteness"? Cats are mice hunters. Most popular dog breeds were selected for killing and dog fight! That "big smile" is not for laughter, but to crush bones! And many domesticated animals can not even reproduce without human assistance. How they would survive in wild?

I think requiring human assistance and inability to survive in the wild are an effect of neoteny.

Re: Dog Aging Project

#19

Post by JumpCrisscross »

throw839298 wrote: post #15
jasdi wrote: post #11

Animal domestication is really wild. So we first select for neoteny (playfulness, dependency on caregiver, physical features people like) basically prolonging the juvenile state. Then we put them in controlled environments of abundance, were all their needs are met. Which further diminishes need to reach adult state (with traits like aggressiveness to compete for resources). This abundance causes them to mature/breed…

> neoteny What domesticated animals were bread for "cuteness"? Cats are mice hunters. Most popular dog breeds were selected for killing and dog fight! That "big smile" is not for laughter, but to crush bones! And many domesticated animals can not even reproduce without human assistance. How they would survive in wild?

> What domesticated animals were bread for "cuteness"?

Dogs.

> Cats are mice hunters

Cats blur the line between domestication and taming.

> Most popular dog breeds were selected for killing and dog fight

One can breed for more than one thing. (Dog fighting as a selection pressure is very modern and very limited.)

Dogs literally evolved a muscle to make them more appealing to (and help them communicate with) humans [1].

> many domesticated animals can not even reproduce without human assistance

Not an argument against neateny.

[1] https://www.smithsonianmag.com/smart-news/dogs-have-special-...

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