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After 30 years, FDA overhauls guideline for the claim "healthy" on food packages

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Re: After 30 years, FDA overhauls guideline for the claim "healthy" on food packages

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If you look at the table and do the math to convert obfuscated units, a 3/4 ounce serving of “whole grains” may have 5g of added sugar, which is 5/21.26 g or 23.5% added sugar.

This seems like an obvious problem to me. Despite some progress with adding nuts and salmon.

Re: After 30 years, FDA overhauls guideline for the claim "healthy" on food packages

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> Avocados, nuts and seeds are among products that will now qualify to use the “healthy” claim. Avocado, salmon and water are among the foods that will qualify for a “healthy” claim on food packaging. Yeah maybe there are some issues with government efficiency if it took 30 years for foods like this to be able to brand themselves healthy whereas white bread could false advertise with FDA approval.

Yep. It is a huge and corrupt bureaucracy. This should have taken literally a day’s worth of work. Even the time from when they proposed the rule change to now is over 2 years!

I think this should have moved faster, but there's no way this is a single days work.

Especially since a large part of the required work is meta work to show that they worked "properly".

There are executive orders (and maybe laws? can't remember) that require all rule making to be subject to thorough cost benefit analysis.

One of the required actions between a proposed and final rule is to review, reply to, and perhaps amend rules based on comments. The final report indicates 400 comments, and includes responses to basically all of them.

Re: After 30 years, FDA overhauls guideline for the claim "healthy" on food packages

#13
Unfortunately the FDA has limited resource to actually police most of their existing guidelines and will have just as much trouble policing this one.

Buy and cook raw ingredients as often as you can because the only way packaged foods make a profit is either to lower costs or increase prices, and neither option is to your benefit.

Re: After 30 years, FDA overhauls guideline for the claim "healthy" on food packages

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post #2

> Avocados, nuts and seeds are among products that will now qualify to use the “healthy” claim. Avocado, salmon and water are among the foods that will qualify for a “healthy” claim on food packaging. Yeah maybe there are some issues with government efficiency if it took 30 years for foods like this to be able to brand themselves healthy whereas white bread could false advertise with FDA approval.

Yep. It is a huge and corrupt bureaucracy. This should have taken literally a day’s worth of work. Even the time from when they proposed the rule change to now is over 2 years!

Either sadly or reassuringly, the same rulemaking making processes apply to both contentious things and relatively uncontroversial ideas like these. (Actually, this is an oversimplification, I think ED “Dear Colleague” letters don’t go through the full battery of established processes.)

Re: After 30 years, FDA overhauls guideline for the claim "healthy" on food packages

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I could be wrong on this, yet my impression is that the bureaucrats, given RFK's intentions, are in fear for their jobs and are looking to mitigate exposure by, well, actually starting to do their jobs.

The damage cause to society by a vast array of foods is likely the top contributor to not only disease-caused mortality but the massive cost of providing healthcare. The appointment of someone like RFK, with a mission to push for a healthy food supply makes me hopeful that we will find a path to better results.

On a personal level, after recognizing the terrible effects of bad food, I set out on a mission to change. I was type 2 diabetic and was also taking medication for hypertension. I changed my diet. Actively avoided everything outside what I call "basic" foods. I also added long term (7 to 14 day) fasting to help me push me over to the other side. It took a few months and effort. Today I am no-longer taking any medication and my blood tests come back with positive marks across the board. No more diabetes or hypertension.

Before someone suggests some of the changes had to do with exercise, well, no, that was not the case. I was determined to understand this issue of proper nutrition. So, I stopped all exercise for several months in order to isolate effects. I only started walking a couple of miles per day once I was off all medications. I achieved this result sitting in front of my computer coding and working, with the only change being dietary.

How many people out there have broken bodies and never-ending medical needs simply because they are eating horrible food? Well, if we are talking about diabetes --a metabolic disease-- the number is well over 35 million, with over a million people diagnosed every year and over 5000 children as well:

https://www.cdc.gov/diabetes/about/about-type-2-diabetes.htm...

And for the vast majority of cases, you can eliminate and reverse this with food.

Look at the list of complications introduced by type 2 diabetes:

  - Heart and blood vessel disease
  - Nerve damage in limbs
  - Other nerve damage (heart, digestive system, etc.)
  - Kidney disease
  - Eye damage
  - Skin conditions
  - Slow healing
  - Hearing damage
  - Sleep apnea
  - Dementia
https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/type-2-diabet...

And that's just one of the diseases with nutrition as a root cause.

So, yeah, healthy food is important. The FDA needs to get a handle on this.

Re: After 30 years, FDA overhauls guideline for the claim "healthy" on food packages

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yep. It is a huge and corrupt bureaucracy. This should have taken literally a day’s worth of work. Even the time from when they proposed the rule change to now is over 2 years!

I think this should have moved faster, but there's no way this is a single days work. Especially since a large part of the required work is meta work to show that they worked "properly". There are executive orders (and maybe laws? can't remember) that require all rule making to be subject to thorough cost benefit analysis. One of the required actions between a proposed and final rule is to review, reply to, and perha…

All of that is evidence of the ineffectiveness of government bureaucracies. You’re describing the way things work today. I’m saying the way it works is broken and needs to change. Allowing claims that salmon or water is healthy shouldn’t take long.

Re: After 30 years, FDA overhauls guideline for the claim "healthy" on food packages

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I could be wrong on this, yet my impression is that the bureaucrats, given RFK's intentions, are in fear for their jobs and are looking to mitigate exposure by, well, actually starting to do their jobs. The damage cause to society by a vast array of foods is likely the top contributor to not only disease-caused mortality but the massive cost of providing healthcare. The appointment of someone like RFK, with a mission…

It's possible that the RFK thing is driving some urgency, but the timeline is broadly in line with their stated goals from their 2016 to 2025 strategic plan. They started this whole process with public consultation in 2017, and released the proposed plan back in 2022.

Re: After 30 years, FDA overhauls guideline for the claim "healthy" on food packages

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think this should have moved faster, but there's no way this is a single days work. Especially since a large part of the required work is meta work to show that they worked "properly". There are executive orders (and maybe laws? can't remember) that require all rule making to be subject to thorough cost benefit analysis. One of the required actions between a proposed and final rule is to review, reply to, and perha…

All of that is evidence of the ineffectiveness of government bureaucracies. You’re describing the way things work today. I’m saying the way it works is broken and needs to change. Allowing claims that salmon or water is healthy shouldn’t take long.

Salmon can be accumulators of plastics and heavy metals. It is not as simple was labeling things as healthy or not healthy.

Re: After 30 years, FDA overhauls guideline for the claim "healthy" on food packages

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think this should have moved faster, but there's no way this is a single days work. Especially since a large part of the required work is meta work to show that they worked "properly". There are executive orders (and maybe laws? can't remember) that require all rule making to be subject to thorough cost benefit analysis. One of the required actions between a proposed and final rule is to review, reply to, and perha…

All of that is evidence of the ineffectiveness of government bureaucracies. You’re describing the way things work today. I’m saying the way it works is broken and needs to change. Allowing claims that salmon or water is healthy shouldn’t take long.

I agree that it should go faster.

Unfortunately government bureaucracies basically operate in low trust mode because of accumulated scar tissue from previous problems.

Ripping out guard rails without building a high trust environment is asking for a speed run of all of the scar tissue to reform.

The fact that you characterized a slow process as corrupt, when a huge amount of the slowness is because of mandated rules put in place to attempt to mitigate corruption is in itself a sign of the low trust hell that these regulators live in.

Re: After 30 years, FDA overhauls guideline for the claim "healthy" on food packages

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post #13

Unfortunately the FDA has limited resource to actually police most of their existing guidelines and will have just as much trouble policing this one. Buy and cook raw ingredients as often as you can because the only way packaged foods make a profit is either to lower costs or increase prices, and neither option is to your benefit.

You forgot 'sell more'.
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