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Re: FTC orders 'gun detection' tech maker Evolv to stop overstating effectiveness

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Post by stronglikedan »

kylehotchkiss wrote: post #2

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> “The only thing that can stop a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun” lie has been repeatedly disproven over and over again

Has it? They certainly don't stop themselves (unless resulting from being surrounded by good guys with guns).

Re: FTC orders 'gun detection' tech maker Evolv to stop overstating effectiveness

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Post by ceejayoz »

stronglikedan wrote: post #4
kylehotchkiss wrote: post #2

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> “The only thing that can stop a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun” lie has been repeatedly disproven over and over again Has it? They certainly don't stop themselves (unless resulting from being surrounded by good guys with guns).

Examples in both directions abound.

Guns aren't required:

https://www.cnn.com/2018/05/25/us/indiana-school-shooting-te...

https://www.npr.org/2022/11/15/1136617873/buffalo-clinic-gun...

https://time.com/6249944/monterey-park-mass-shooting-brandon...

https://nypost.com/2022/02/01/waffle-house-shooting-video-sh...

https://abcnews.go.com/US/abc-news-exclusive-teacher-hugged-...

Guns (even nearly 400 of them, carried by explicitly trained professionals) don't necessarily help:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uvalde_school_shooting

Re: FTC orders 'gun detection' tech maker Evolv to stop overstating effectiveness

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Post by AngryData »

kylehotchkiss wrote: post #2

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I can't agree with this stance at all. US shootings and crimes will not be stopped or declined by stronger invasions of privacy and increased searches. US's high crime problems boil down to poor socioeconomic factors. Poverty, desperation, lack of economic mobility and opportunity, draconian law enforcement, poor social services and safety net.

Over and over and over again throughout history, harsher law enforcement and invasion of personal privacy has failed to appreciably reduce crime or violence or murder. At best you merely create divisions in society between the privileged and the desperate that hides the problems from the privileged and wealthy so they can ignore it until eventually it boils over because the privileged and wealthy members of society are shielded from actually seeing the systemic problems that everyone else is dealing with.

Re: FTC orders 'gun detection' tech maker Evolv to stop overstating effectiveness

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Post by beart »

stronglikedan wrote: post #4
kylehotchkiss wrote: post #2

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> “The only thing that can stop a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun” lie has been repeatedly disproven over and over again Has it? They certainly don't stop themselves (unless resulting from being surrounded by good guys with guns).

Yes it has, unless your definition of "stop" is limitd to "after people have been killed", and your definition of "only" is limited by current public policy in the US.

Re: FTC orders 'gun detection' tech maker Evolv to stop overstating effectiveness

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Post by Spooky23 »

Urd- wrote: post #3
kylehotchkiss wrote: post #2

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Because a crazed gunman will (A) go through the scanner and (B) will not open fire when their weapon is detected.

You can make the scanner a condition of entry. Disclose that it’s happening and it’s a deterrent. Better for crazy people to do crazy at the front door.

Re: FTC orders 'gun detection' tech maker Evolv to stop overstating effectiveness

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Post by razakel »

AngryData wrote: post #6
kylehotchkiss wrote: post #2

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I can't agree with this stance at all. US shootings and crimes will not be stopped or declined by stronger invasions of privacy and increased searches. US's high crime problems boil down to poor socioeconomic factors. Poverty, desperation, lack of economic mobility and opportunity, draconian law enforcement, poor social services and safety net. Over and over and over again throughout history, harsher law enforcement…

Canadians have guns. Mexicans have guns. Australians have guns.

They don't have school shootings on an almost daily basis.

The problem is definitely not the guns. It doesn't help, but it's not the root cause.

Re: FTC orders 'gun detection' tech maker Evolv to stop overstating effectiveness

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Post by foivoh »

ceejayoz wrote: post #5
stronglikedan wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> “The only thing that can stop a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun” lie has been repeatedly disproven over and over again Has it? They certainly don't stop themselves (unless resulting from being surrounded by good guys with guns).

Examples in both directions abound. Guns aren't required: https://www.cnn.com/2018/05/25/us/indiana-school-shooting-te... https://www.npr.org/2022/11/15/1136617873/buffalo-clinic-gun... https://time.com/6249944/monterey-park-mass-shooting-brandon... https://nypost.com/2022/02/01/waffle-house-shooting-video-sh... https://abcnews.go.com/US/abc-news-exclusive-teacher-hugged-... Guns (even nearly 400 of them, carried by…

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