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Re: Physical assault by McDonald's for wearing Digital Eye Glass

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Post by lsc »

rmc wrote: post #330
lsc wrote: post #259

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huh. I thought that France didn't have birthright citizenship like the US has. I thought they had a system more like what some of the more radical right wing parties in the US want, where your parent's status has something to do with it, you know, to prevent 'anchor babies.' Hm. According to the wikipedia[1], it's complicated, and I strongly suspect I'm missing some things. It looks to me like they have a 'right of b…

Another interesting fact is how France borders Brazil.

my point is that without birthright citizenship, the whole "who is french" thing has... more to do with "extraction" than an American might think.

(Of course, the next guy down says I'm wrong about the French citizenship rules, which I may be, of course.)

Re: Physical assault by McDonald's for wearing Digital Eye Glass

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Post by lsc »

[deleted] wrote: post #312
lsc wrote: post #259

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huh. I thought that France didn't have birthright citizenship like the US has. I thought they had a system more like what some of the more radical right wing parties in the US want, where your parent's status has something to do with it, you know, to prevent 'anchor babies.' Hm. According to the wikipedia[1], it's complicated, and I strongly suspect I'm missing some things. It looks to me like they have a 'right of b…

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>It's quite simple actually : you're french if you're born on french soil or if one of your parents was french.

according to the wikipedia (which, of course, is not always correct) that is not an or but an and (at least, until the age of majority.) Even assuming that the wikipedia is correct in this case, there is a big difference between automatically gaining citizenship on your 18th birthday, and having a 'path to citizenship' and I have no idea where France is on that continuum.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/French_citizenship#Through_birt...

Re: Physical assault by McDonald's for wearing Digital Eye Glass

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Post by rmc »

pyoung wrote: post #52
pg wrote: post #26

No one at an ordinary McDonald's would even notice such a device. Ergo this was not an ordinary McDonald's, but one with security people looking for cameras. Why would a McDonald's have security people looking for cameras? Possibly because it was a mafia front. If you wanted to launder money, a fast food restaurant in a popular location would be a good place to do it. The way the employees behaved is consistent with…

But why would the Mafia care if you took photos? Money laundering would happen behind the scenes, in the accountants office. Definitely agree that something is shady though. Not sure what, but this reminds me of a recent article on 'The Big Mac' index, which is used as an alternative measure of inflation. Perhaps McDonald's is under orders by the French government to prevent people from taking photos of their menus (…

But why would the Mafia care if you took photos? Money laundering would happen behind the scenes, in the accountants office.

In order to launder money you need to pretend you have more customers than you do have. A good way for the police/tax man to catch you is to record your business to prove that you don't have that many customers.

Re: Physical assault by McDonald's for wearing Digital Eye Glass

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Post by rmc »

jlgreco wrote: post #91
citricsquid wrote: post #36

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I've looked into how McDonalds franchises work before and have learned about money laundering from Breaking Bad: how would using a franchise make sense? McDonalds (and most other franchise businesses) run very tight ships with stock (and marketing): if a business sells 100 burgers McDonalds is going to know, it seems that if suspicions were ever aroused with this McDonalds all the IRS (or whatever the french tax auth…

You throw out the merchandise with the highest profit margins while reporting fake sales. Bars are traditionally popular for money laundering because everyone pays in cash, liquor has absolutely insane mark-up, and it's really easy to pour it down the drain. I imagine a fastfood restaurant would not work as well, but who knows.

it's really easy to pour it down the drain

Or sell it on the black market.

Re: Physical assault by McDonald's for wearing Digital Eye Glass

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Post by potatolicious »

kamaal wrote: post #296
ben0x539 wrote: post #142

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Christ, that's some quick victim-blaming. There's no justification for trying to take away someone's property, even if it's a camera in your business. Physically assaulting someone over a camera is even worse. All attempts to excuse this sort of behavior immediately fall flat given that "possible witness 1" was given documentation of the device and apparently accepted it, and the perpetrator was also given the docume…

I don't think its victim blaming. For example, I would be seriously offended if someone takes my picture without my permission. Because I don't why they are taking it. Are they spying? Or is that guy a terrorist surveying the place? Or he might just be a guy who would morph my pic and upload that to a wrong a site. Regardless, if you are wearing a computing device which will assist you do some things its OK. But plai…

Or, far more likely than all of the above combined, times ten thousand, that person is documenting.

You know, the style of work made famous by artists like Robert Frank, Henri Cartier-Bresson, Robert Capa, Garry Winogrand... or if you want some that are still alive, Bruce Gilden, Daido Moriyama, Trent Parke, Martin Parr, Helen Levitt, Bill Cunningham...

If you haven't had the pleasure of seeing any of this type of work before, I encourage you to look it up and understand that there are entirely non-nefarious reasons for taking a stranger's photo, and in fact this practice is astronomically more likely than terrorists and spies.

... I really wish we didn't live in a society so utterly drenched in constant fear.

Re: Physical assault by McDonald's for wearing Digital Eye Glass

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Post by capitao »

forgottenpaswrd wrote: post #300

The reality is that you are assaulting other people's privacy if you wear this glasses. It does not matter that you have a letter from your doctor, you have to provide a way of switching the thing off. Me, me, me. What about others? What happens if people don't want to be stalked?. This man does not realize what he is doing is not only for good, but is going to be used for the bad, to control other people. This has s…

honestly I don't care about their privacy. They work at mcdonalds not fucking NASA, it no secret what a big mac is

Re: Physical assault by McDonald's for wearing Digital Eye Glass

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Post by rmc »

pyre wrote: post #228
andrewfelix wrote: post #203

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It's France. They're French.

There are a lot of Moroccans in Paris, from what I understand. Wasn't that what those riots a few years back were about? The Moroccans immigrating but not integrating?

cultural translation: There's a lot of Africans in the USA, isn't there some trouble with them not integratating into the mainstream culture? :P

Re: Physical assault by McDonald's for wearing Digital Eye Glass

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Post by DanBC »

muyuu wrote: post #305
bambax wrote: post #273

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Is this the real PG throwing around conspiracy theories? Wow. I'm French and have been living in Paris my whole life. In France you're not allowed to take pictures or movies of people without their consent. If you try to take pictures of strangers in the subway you will be heckled and possibly assaulted, and the police will do nothing to stop it. I'm not defending my country here -- I'm a photographer and resent this…

The same exact thing happens in Italy and Spain that I know. I believe the breeding ground is similar. Also the employee-client relationship is radically different to what people in the US, Canada or UK are used to. Generally people are polite, but in case of any sort of conflict employees are protected and the client is assumed to be wrong and told to fuck off. As opposed to "the client always being right". There mu…

Wait what, how many UK shops do you go to?

Re: Physical assault by McDonald's for wearing Digital Eye Glass

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Post by obtu »

krschultz wrote: post #151
pg wrote: post #26

No one at an ordinary McDonald's would even notice such a device. Ergo this was not an ordinary McDonald's, but one with security people looking for cameras. Why would a McDonald's have security people looking for cameras? Possibly because it was a mafia front. If you wanted to launder money, a fast food restaurant in a popular location would be a good place to do it. The way the employees behaved is consistent with…

In high school I worked in a McDonalds. There was actually a poster in the back that said cameras were not allowed on the property. This was around the time of 'Supersize Me'. I don't remember exactly what the instructions said employees were supposed to do. I believe it was asking people to leave and refer them to McDonalds corporate PR for requests to take pictures. It definitely didn't say assault them. Clearly th…

Those policies seem to be so that journalists don't go taking pictures on their own, but go through PR channels.

Re: Physical assault by McDonald's for wearing Digital Eye Glass

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Post by mattvot »

muyuu wrote: post #305
bambax wrote: post #273

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Is this the real PG throwing around conspiracy theories? Wow. I'm French and have been living in Paris my whole life. In France you're not allowed to take pictures or movies of people without their consent. If you try to take pictures of strangers in the subway you will be heckled and possibly assaulted, and the police will do nothing to stop it. I'm not defending my country here -- I'm a photographer and resent this…

The same exact thing happens in Italy and Spain that I know. I believe the breeding ground is similar. Also the employee-client relationship is radically different to what people in the US, Canada or UK are used to. Generally people are polite, but in case of any sort of conflict employees are protected and the client is assumed to be wrong and told to fuck off. As opposed to "the client always being right". There mu…

I was in a McDonalds in Barcelona, Spain and watched the Americans in front asked to stop taking photos of the menu.
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