VW Group Collects Vehicle Movement Data
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VW Group Collects Vehicle Movement Data
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#2Deliberate problem. The inevitable corporate "oops, we fixed the auth" and common reply of "never ascribe malice to incompetence" is textbook psychological warfare. More importantly it's an effective overtone move vs collecting the data at all.
Explicit instruction isn't necessary or desired, it's trivial to write a unfunded 'compliance' requirement, practically guaranteeing a specific outcome.
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#3Video of the talk:
https://media.ccc.de/v/38c3-wir-wissen-wo-dein-auto-steht-vo...
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#4Previous discussion: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42524422
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#5Deliberate problem. The inevitable corporate "oops, we fixed the auth" and common reply of "never ascribe malice to incompetence" is textbook psychological warfare. More importantly it's an effective overtone move vs collecting the data at all. Explicit instruction isn't necessary or desired, it's trivial to write a unfunded 'compliance' requirement, practically guaranteeing a specific outcome.
The "sprint problem".
There is a technical or moral concern that does not immediately make money, or worse, reduces income.
Every development sprint tasks are prioritized.
All that needs to happen is for the desired items to have, say, a priority of 3, while items in the sprint are always priorities 1 and 2.
That ensures those items are never done.
Examples? Google web applications tested and bugs fixed for Firefox.
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#6This is why you don't bring your car for service at dealers. On "dumb" cars, that's when the transfer happens and it can be location data and even car audio.
That's also why you don't install these little trackers to find your car when it gets stolen, because when it isn't stolen, they make money selling your location data, and that's the real product.
Weaponizing convenience, as usual.
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#7Deliberate problem. The inevitable corporate "oops, we fixed the auth" and common reply of "never ascribe malice to incompetence" is textbook psychological warfare. More importantly it's an effective overtone move vs collecting the data at all. Explicit instruction isn't necessary or desired, it's trivial to write a unfunded 'compliance' requirement, practically guaranteeing a specific outcome.
The "sprint problem". There is a technical or moral concern that does not immediately make money, or worse, reduces income. Every development sprint tasks are prioritized. All that needs to happen is for the desired items to have, say, a priority of 3, while items in the sprint are always priorities 1 and 2. That ensures those items are never done. Examples? Google web applications tested and bugs fixed for Firefox.
There's a person whose job is to prioritize.
If that person, and that person's management, think that security and privacy are a priority, then things get fixed.
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#8Germany makes a big ruckus about their local industry struggling to compete with Chinese manufacturers, but meanwhile the Volkswagen Group stumbles from one scandal to the next. As far as I'm concerned, if that's the way you do business, go bankrupt. I know all big manufacturers have their warts and flaws, but VW continues to be the frontrunner year after year.
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#9This is why you don't bring your car for service at dealers. On "dumb" cars, that's when the transfer happens and it can be location data and even car audio. That's also why you don't install these little trackers to find your car when it gets stolen, because when it isn't stolen, they make money selling your location data, and that's the real product. Weaponizing convenience, as usual.
If you bought a brand new car, the loss of warranty is not worth not bringing it to the dealer. If you have a car already out of warranty then absolutely, service it anywhere else. But we have an EV and the 8 year warranty on the battery is also dependent on servicing the car within the dealer network, so we're in a bind for a while.
And yes, I know that legally you don't have to service the car at the official dealer to maintain the warranty(at least in the EU/UK). The problem is that even if that's legally true, dealers will always try to weasel their way out of it. The service can be done at any VAT registered garage, but it has to be done using the exact compontents advised by the manufacturer and as advised by them - so if your garage gives you an invoice for "engine oil" you're screwed, it has to say "engine oil 5W20 SAE23531" or whatever is officially advised. Same for every other item or your service is invalid. And even if you do everything exactly as described, the dealer will just reject your warranty claim because you didn't service the car with them, then you have to take them to small claims court and you will almost certainly win, but it's time and effort. So as always, the law says one thing, and in practice things aren't that simple.
>>That's also why you don't install these little trackers to find your car when it gets stolen
Certain cars are impossible to insure without a tracker. And if you're a new and young driver good luck finding any policy that will insure you without a tracker. It's not always about convenience.
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#10This is why you don't bring your car for service at dealers. On "dumb" cars, that's when the transfer happens and it can be location data and even car audio. That's also why you don't install these little trackers to find your car when it gets stolen, because when it isn't stolen, they make money selling your location data, and that's the real product. Weaponizing convenience, as usual.
Knowing where my stolen car is located is a problem for the police and then my insurance company and then me. The tracker is not adding an incredible amount of value for most consumers outside of large fleet vehicle and heavy equipment operators.
Briefly looking at the market it seems it's mostly focused on those two use cases plus parents attempting to monitor their children's driving locations and habits. So they're also weaponizing our children to an extent.