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Re: Jimmy Carter has died

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Post by silisili »

InsideOutSanta wrote: post #592
silisili wrote: post #180

Earlier quoted context omitted.

While I agree with the general sentiment, I think the same could have been said regardless of which candidate won. It feels like the left moved left, the right moved right, and instead of catering to moderates, threatening them to pick a side. Said another way, I think a young Jimmy Carter type candidate would have wiped the floor with either side this election.

"It feels like the left moved left" In what way? If anything, Democrats have moved to the right on topics like border control and immigration, and haven't really moved strongly to either side on social issues like abortion or drugs, on education, gun control, campaign finance, trade, healthcare, or foreign policy.

Since I've been asked a thousand times by leftists, I'll try to answer. I feel like at least the right recognizes they're going further right.

> Democrats have moved to the right on topics like border control and immigration

Yes, because it's become such an apparent clusterfk they had no choice but to. It's not much different than a child covered in Nutella, with Nutella all over the table and floor telling their parents maybe no more Nutella. It wasn't a policy shift, it's attempting to save face. To this day some areas are claiming to be sanctuary and will fight it all.

Trans issues. Men in women's sports, tampons in men's bathrooms. Sex ed in elementary school? Kid's books about gay or trans parents and sex. Kids on puberty blockers? All would seem insane to Carter democrats.

DEI. BLM. Affirmative action The whole equity explanation and movement. To my knowledge, they still want reparations, which are hugely unpopular.

Economy. UBI? The whole antiwork movement? The open rise of communists/socialists in citizens.

Biden and Kamala are pretty far right of the left, as many pointed out. It doesn't mean the left as a whole isn't moving further left.

Maybe to leftists things feel like they are moving right, but they absolutely aren't. The candidates representing them, poorly, are trying to salvage any votes they can and shy away from the movement of the members at large because they know they're not popular.

Trump is in many ways the same. Well, I have no idea what he is, he's a smooth talker and probably far to the left of whatever the MAGA movement is. Which is itself moving continually to the extreme right, to some fanfare.

People will probably link to some enlightened centrist meme. I don't care. I don't think I'm smarter or know policy better than anyone. I mostly want to be left alone, and draw ideas from both sides. I think the base for each is moving further apart. I don't care if it's downvoted, don't tell me my own eyes deceive me.

Edit: Please don't waste energy telling me why I'm wrong. I'm used to it. I likely won't read it. Read the end of the last paragraph again.

Re: Jimmy Carter has died

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Post by data_maan »

cyberge99 wrote: post #544
zeven7 wrote: post #447

Earlier quoted context omitted.

“ Three of the panels are part of museum collections. One of the panels was donated by Unity College to the National Museum of American History in 2009. Another is on display at the Jimmy Carter Presidential Center. A third panel has been part of the Solar Science and Technology Museum in Dezhou, China since 2013.” [1] Sounds like America chose “museum piece” from Carter’s options. [1] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki…

It represents the road not taken. Reagan removed solar panels.

Don't worry, China is more than happy to take the road Americans haven't.

Re: Jimmy Carter has died

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Post by bhouston »

settrans wrote: post #495
bhouston wrote: post #485

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It is an ideology that is gaining popularity in Israel though. I am regurgitating what Israel's own Finance minister is saying. "In an interview for the documentary, In Israel: Ministers of Chaos, produced by European public service channel, Arte, [Israel's Finance Minister Bezalel] Smotrich claimed that Israel would expand “little by little” and eventually encompass all Palestinian territories as well as Jordan, Leb…

I have little desire to defend Smotrich (nor would Israelis, as his extremist party is currently polling at ~3% support), but even he wouldn't dare claim support for something as far-flung as the alleged "Greater Israel" ideology. On the contrary, after Smotrich was merely perceived to lend support for expansionism, having spoken at a conference behind a graphic reminiscent of the Irgun's emblem depicting the entire…

Again here is both Haaretz and Times of Israel articles that are discussing Greater Israel ideology:

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42546044

You can continue to say it is far flung or a conspiracy but apparently Israeli newspapers disagree with you. Honestly who am I to believe? Random anonymous commenter on hacker news or many articles in Israeli newspapers written by journalists? I’ll go with Israeli newspapers and real journalists.

Re: Jimmy Carter has died

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Post by kev009 »

macrocosmos wrote: post #76

I wasn’t alive for Carter’s presidency, so can someone explain how his handling of the hostages in Iran was positive at all for the United States? To me as an American even this many years later and as a young person who didn’t see it, ending your presidency while another nation holds your citizens seems extremely embarrassing. And all I see is extreme praise of the man. I’d honestly like to see some discussion here.

The American security state has been broken for a long time, principally because it seems to perpetually turn in on itself and the citizenry, so without devolving deep into politics I would posit he was just the wrong guy at the wrong time with respect to this issue.

Of primary issue, who could do anything about it? You'd think the superpower would have an answer but there was none.

Eventually this leads to the formation of CT teams (Delta/ST6) and this boondoggle https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Eagle_Claw. Had the apparatus been ready for him, the security state might have been able to make a Zero Dark Thirty movie with his image playing a prominent role.

Re: Jimmy Carter has died

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Post by data_maan »

davidw wrote: post #212
silisili wrote: post #180

Earlier quoted context omitted.

While I agree with the general sentiment, I think the same could have been said regardless of which candidate won. It feels like the left moved left, the right moved right, and instead of catering to moderates, threatening them to pick a side. Said another way, I think a young Jimmy Carter type candidate would have wiped the floor with either side this election.

"Both sides" doesn't really correspond with reality though. She made a concentrated effort to reach out to people on both sides, including the Cheneys, of all people.

At least Kamala's not a rapist.

Re: Jimmy Carter has died

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Post by data_maan »

seanmcdirmid wrote: post #306
silisili wrote: post #180

Earlier quoted context omitted.

While I agree with the general sentiment, I think the same could have been said regardless of which candidate won. It feels like the left moved left, the right moved right, and instead of catering to moderates, threatening them to pick a side. Said another way, I think a young Jimmy Carter type candidate would have wiped the floor with either side this election.

> like the left moved left, the right moved right, The only leftist pandering that Kamala offered was getting rid of taxes on tips (something that Trump offered first, actually), she seemed fairly center, or even a bit right of center (putting off far lefties) as Democrat presidential candidates are usually these days. Trump, likewise, didn't really veer right, he actually veered a bit left in offering to lower price…

> well, except for the ultra nationalism

and also excepting the fact that he wants to end abortion, be a dictator, end elections, and drill babay drill.

Other than that he's very left. Very.

Re: Jimmy Carter has died

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Post by westurner »

westurner wrote: post #589

Jimmy Carter: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jimmy_Carter

Many analyses have since estimated the error of the projections they were conducting policy according to especially in the late 1970s.

"The Limits to Growth" (1971) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Limits_to_Growth

Oil price shock (1973) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1973_oil_crisis

Oil crisis (1979) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1979_oil_crisis

"The Global 2000 Report to the President" (1980) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Global_2000_Report_to_the_...

1980-: expensive international meddling we're still paying for, increased government spending , increased taxes on the middle class, oil governor, oil dci, vp, president

1992-: significant reprieve from costly meddling, globalization, soccer, fallout from arms dropped on the eastern bloc after the end of the cold war, not much development in batteries or renewables, dot-com boom, WorldCom, GLBA deregulation, dot-com crash

2000s: humvees, hummers and ~18 MPG SUVs, debt (war expensed to national debt, tax cuts), oil commodity price volatility given an international production rate agreement, crony capitalist bailouts to top off the starve the beast scorched earth debt, almost 20 years of war with countries initially engaged in the 1980s, trillions in spending, tax cuts

"The Limits to Growth" (2004) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Limits_to_Growth :

> "Limits to Growth: The 30-Year Update" was published in 2004. The authors observed that "It is a sad fact that humanity has largely squandered the past 30 years in futile debates and well-intentioned, but halfhearted, responses to the global ecological challenge. We do not have another 30 years to dither. Much will have to change if the ongoing overshoot is not to be followed by collapse during the twenty-first century."

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