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Post by sanderjd »

rayiner wrote: post #257
rat87 wrote: post #148

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America is a nation of immigrants. Xenophobic politics is stupid and makes us weaker.

Incorrect. The U.S. was created by British settlers. The “operating system” of the country—everything from the legal system to the prevailing norms at elite institutions—remains Anglo-American, and has virtually nothing from any other culture. Immigration has provided cheap labor, but at the cost of degrading our social and political systems. Irish and Italian immigration, for example, destroyed the founders’ vision…

This is incredibly ahistorical. Contemporary american culture has very little to do with 18th century british settlers.

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Post by aprilthird2021 »

genman wrote: post #497
bhouston wrote: post #237

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I would argue that he was pro-peace. He wanted both Israel and Palestine to exist, not one at the expense of the other. Just as he peace treaty with Egypt was pro-Peace not pro-Egyptian. For this reason he opposed Israeli settlements in the West Bank saying they were leading to a situation akin to apartheid, eg https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/campaigns/2022/02/israels-... It wasn’t very successful as a proposition…

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But Israel has created the need for Palestinian Arabs to have a separate nation by leaving them nationless by defining their nation as belonging to a specific ethnicity. Anyone can tell you Israel cannot have an Arab majority. That's fundamentally missing from your example. There were no stateless Germans living in Czechia

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Post by johnnyanmac »

zeroonetwothree wrote: post #210
insane_dreamer wrote: post #49

Didn't do everything right as president, but a good man who mostly tried to do the right thing for Americans. Particularly exemplary since leaving the presidency. The average U.S. person would be much better off today if he had won in 1980 instead of it being the beginning of deregulation and Reaganomics.

More deregulation passed under Carter than Reagan.

okay. Deregulations isn't a bad word in and of itself. What did he specifically deregulate?

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Post by aprilthird2021 »

golemiprague wrote: post #388
bhouston wrote: post #237

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I would argue that he was pro-peace. He wanted both Israel and Palestine to exist, not one at the expense of the other. Just as he peace treaty with Egypt was pro-Peace not pro-Egyptian. For this reason he opposed Israeli settlements in the West Bank saying they were leading to a situation akin to apartheid, eg https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/campaigns/2022/02/israels-... It wasn’t very successful as a proposition…

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Countries are not "for" ethnicities, nor should they be in the modern era. Yes, I include Japan, Saudi, etc. in my calculations. But those states' existence did not make a substantial group of people stateless.

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Post by otteromkram »

blharr wrote: post #510
zeven7 wrote: post #447

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“ Three of the panels are part of museum collections. One of the panels was donated by Unity College to the National Museum of American History in 2009. Another is on display at the Jimmy Carter Presidential Center. A third panel has been part of the Solar Science and Technology Museum in Dezhou, China since 2013.” [1] Sounds like America chose “museum piece” from Carter’s options. [1] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki…

I mean a 30 year old solar panel isn't going to be useful to be fair

Who's "be fair" and why are we concerned about their solar panel usage?

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Post by johnnyanmac »

benatkin wrote: post #116
neom wrote: post #90

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As the CEO of Habitat for Humanity says in the video, it was for marketing, not the houses he literally built. "I don't think anyone would have hear of Habitat for Humanity If President and Mrs. Carter hadn't gotten on that bus in 1984" - They've since gone on to build over 800,000 homes - he could have easily not gotten behind them in such an earnest way year over year.

And the video has 16 upvotes on YouTube? Not that I wish it had more, because Habitat for Humanity might not be among the best major humanitarian charities. https://www.propublica.org/article/habitat-for-humanity-broo...

11 years old and I doubt HfH was spamming their channel with reactions, memes, and Crazy challenges (GONE SEXUAL!). A lot of the "good content" isn't as "watchable", sadly.

I am glad more and more well produced channels are starting to buck this trend though. They won't ever be Mr. Beast levels, but they amass a solid following.

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Post by fargle »

mmooss wrote: post #502
fargle wrote: post #346

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> The centrist Dems always blame those further left, not themselves. They did it in 2016 and this year too. well, unless there is an big untapped electorate even further left, that would make a lot of sense actually, wouldn't it?

Why would that make a lot of sense? Is there a large untapped electorate elsewhere on the spectrum? And more importantly, is there any evidence?

the center.

you know, the existence of which just changed the course of the latest election...

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Post by FilosofumRex »

insane_dreamer wrote: post #54
siltcakes wrote: post #15

Carter was the most pro-Palestinian president of the 20th century. It's worth reading his book Palestine: Peace Not Apartheid . https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestine:_Peace_Not_Apartheid

He was the first American president to broker a serious Middle East peace agreement between Israel and a Middle Eastern nation (Egypt) - the Camp David Accord.

and tragically enough, also the last American president to do so. The most Biden and before him Obama (during 2014 war), ever did was to delay arms delivery to Israel while threatening war against any country supply small arms to Palestine.

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Post by fakedang »

linguae wrote: post #68
hylaride wrote: post #50

One could argue he set the stage for the 1980s economic boom by making short term sacrifices that cost him re-election. It was his administration that did market-oriented deregulation around airlines and trucking industries (meaning you didn't need to have a licence to ship goods across state lines and go through monopoly trucking companies to get your goods to market) as well as appointed Paul Volcker as Fed chair w…

For these reasons, Jimmy Carter is my third-favorite president of the 20th century, behind my favorite, Calvin Coolidge, and my second-favorite, Dwight Eisenhower. I am a very big fan of Paul Volcker and I’m glad Jimmy Carter nominated him as chair of the Fed. I wish Reagan kept Volcker as chair during Reagan’s second term.

What makes Coolidge so favorable? He doesn't seem to have been an exceptional character but one who simply rode the economic tailwinds.

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Post by johnnyanmac »

Spagbol wrote: post #142

I have not done significant research, but the more I have read about Jimmy Carter the more I am convinced he is very underrated, and the more I read about Reagan the more I beleive he was a bad choice for the average U.S. citizen long-term (e.g. destroying the U.S. lead on climate tech, and creating policies that ultimately eroded the wealth of the middle class) Reagan was certainly charming, but I beleive he didn't…

philisophically, it does a lot of reflections of what people vote for. The economy was bad under Reagan, Reagan fixed the short term at the "cost" of letting corporations slowly spiral out of control. By the time people notice this Reagan would be long out of office, possibly long dead.

Jimmy overall was thinking long term and made tough decisions that were unpopular. Leading to one of the biggest blowouts in decades at that point (one that has not yet been replicated since). The only surprise here is that Carter didn't become jaded and just live out his life peacefully on his own terms.

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