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Re: Jimmy Carter has died

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Post by lolinder »

JackFr wrote: post #493
lolinder wrote: post #300

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Confirming Mr. Barnes’s account is problematic after so much time. Mr. Connally, Mr. Casey and other central figures have long since died and Mr. Barnes has no diaries or memos to corroborate his account. But he has no obvious reason to make up the story and indeed expressed trepidation at going public because of the reaction of fellow Democrats ... > None of that establishes whether Mr. Reagan knew about the trip,…

Further it’s far from given that had the hostages been released Carter would be re-elected. 1980 was the second straight year of double digit inflation. Reagan was elected with 51% of the popular vote to Carter’s 41% and carried 44 states to Carter’s 6(+DC), tallying 489 electoral votes to Carter’s 49. This was not a close election.

Yeah, at those kinds of margins blaming any single factor is... a stretch.

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Post by tomrod »

sigzero wrote: post #440
jmspring wrote: post #273

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Hostage situation that Reagan's campaign pushed to extend.

There is no credible information that is true.

Close representatives beg to differ, despite Congressional inquiries (which are by definition politically driven) not finding sufficient evidence. Several credible people either involved or in positions of know stand by the allegation.

> Nevertheless, several individuals—most notably, former Iranian President Abulhassan Banisadr, former Lieutenant Governor of Texas Ben Barnes, former naval intelligence officer and U.S. National Security Council member Gary Sick, and Barbara Honegger, a former campaign staffer and White House analyst for Reagan and his successor, George H. W. Bush—have stood by the allegation.

[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1980_October_Surprise_theory

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Post by epistasis »

bluGill wrote: post #494
acdha wrote: post #429

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Care to show your work?

I was alive then and remember the coverage.

You remember your view of what you saw.

If there was a mix of articles, then there will be a mix of people claiming that they personally saw all one side.

Several others in this thread claim they saw cooling articles in the 90s. I never saw a single cooling article but saw many many warming articles and knew even very conservative Republican families that got worked up about the dangers of global warming.

Anybody citing a single article or their personal experience is degrading the conversation. A single person's recollection is not even evidence when we can compare to an entire historical record.

Re: Jimmy Carter has died

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Post by epistasis »

transcriptase wrote: post #450
bluGill wrote: post #355

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Mass media was clearly on th side of cooling and anyone trying to argue anything else looks like an idiot to anyone with a memory. And mass media had plenty of science people to quote. (this is of course different from what science showed but almost nobody knows that - what we see on the media is reality)

The “we need to stop polluting or we’ll cause another ice age” was floating around classrooms in the 90s.

Intelligent design was floating around in classrooms but we don't need to pretend that it was anything other than a fringe political and religious belief.

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Post by gigatree »

efitz wrote: post #509
eru wrote: post #473

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You can buy catastrophic healthcare coverage, can't you?

Not by itself, not anymore, because of ACA. For most people, the most cost effective insurance is catastrophic major medical + self-pay for anything else. What passes for insurance now really isn’t “insurance” in the sense that completely expected, and even likely, events are covered. It’s more like paying for discount healthcare but has the major medical built in.

Stupid question but does that mean the “discount” comes from tax dollars? i.e. medical costs are spread out more but we’re also collectively spending more of our income on it?

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Post by refulgentis »

JKCalhoun wrote: post #488
4RealFreedom wrote: post #363

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"That's higher than any other president by a massive amount" - Any modern president. Abraham Lincoln had a 2859.40% increase. Martin Van Buren had a 1458.32% increase. We've had quite a few over 200%.

One wonders what was going on during Lincoln's presidency that could have contributed to such a massive increase.

Lincoln was president during the US Civil War

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Post by johnnyanmac »

jliptzin wrote: post #479
eru wrote: post #473

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You can buy catastrophic healthcare coverage, can't you?

Everyone already has it, the cost is just absorbed by the public instead of being taken out of the taxes of the person receiving the emergency care, assuming they can’t afford the hospital bill.

> taken out of the taxes of the person receiving the emergency care,

if it's that catastropic, I imagine their income would fall drastically that year, or years. What taxes?

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Post by seadan83 »

bluGill wrote: post #494
acdha wrote: post #429

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Care to show your work?

I was alive then and remember the coverage.

Memories are very much subject to confirmation bias and sampling bias. Basing knowledge on personal experience is not solid epistemology. Further, the "I was alive and remember all of the media landscape at a time 50 years ago" is an appeal to authority fallacy. I don't personally dispute your recollections at all, and that is your impression and lived experience - but it does not make it facts. Extrapolating from an individuals experience is liable to be very faulty, again, poor epistemology.

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Post by pkulak »

efitz wrote: post #509
eru wrote: post #473

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You can buy catastrophic healthcare coverage, can't you?

Not by itself, not anymore, because of ACA. For most people, the most cost effective insurance is catastrophic major medical + self-pay for anything else. What passes for insurance now really isn’t “insurance” in the sense that completely expected, and even likely, events are covered. It’s more like paying for discount healthcare but has the major medical built in.

You can buy it as long as you also have an HSA account, which you should have anyway because it’s pre tax.
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