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Re: Jimmy Carter has died

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Post by AdieuToLogic »

bdangubic wrote: post #451
AdieuToLogic wrote: post #402

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> Rejecting electoralism and demanding or organizing toward an alternative is not nihilism. I replied to this comment: And yet people will mock you for saying that both parties are the same. The Democratic and Republican parties are demonstrably "not the same." This is evident in policy positions and party platforms. The assertion quoted reasonably satisfies the referenced definition: In philosophy, nihilism (/ˈnaɪ(h…

What alternative to an electoral process do you have in mind? And please be specific so that I may understand. more than one major political party would be a good start so that your “democracy” is more little more than “it is 2am at a bar and there are two of the ugliest people to ever roam the Earth but you are drunk and you are taking one of them home with ya…” :)

>> What alternative to an electoral process do you have in mind? And please be specific so that I may understand.

> more than one major political party would be a good start so that your “democracy” is more little more than “it is 2am at a bar and there are two of the ugliest people to ever roam the Earth but you are drunk and you are taking one of them home with ya…” :)

:-D

That's a funny, and sadly appropriate, metaphor.

Getting rid of "first past the post"[0] and the "Citizen United" SCOTUS decision[1] are key to achieve this IMHO. Both will be incredibly difficult to remediate as they combine to maximize the inertia of the status quo.

0 - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First-past-the-post_voting

1 - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Citizens_United_v._FEC

Re: Jimmy Carter has died

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Post by bdangubic »

davidw wrote: post #445
potato3732842 wrote: post #428

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Associating with Republican party establishment types like the Cheneys is a giant middle finger to far more people than it isn't.

They are no longer "Republican party establishment types" though.

oh but there are … and plenty of them … behind closed doors they are talking “we gonna milk this MFer next 4 years and will be here another 25-30 when he’s retired in FL (or dead)” (I know this almost first-hand…)

they are there and they always run the show - all else as always just smoke&mirrors

Re: Jimmy Carter has died

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Post by eru »

GeekyBear wrote: post #316
consumer451 wrote: post #206

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Blaming Kennedy is a take I hadn't heard before. I always gave the folks behind Reagan a lot of credit, as it is a historical fact that they conspired with a foreign power to hold the American hostages until after the election. > A Four-Decade Secret: One Man’s Story of Sabotaging Carter’s Re-election > A prominent Texas politician said he unwittingly took part in a 1980 tour of the Middle East with a clandestine age…

> Blaming Kennedy is a take I hadn't heard before. Carter wanted to pass legislation to give every American catastrophic healthcare coverage, so that a major medical incident would no longer bankrupt families, as a stepping stone towards universal coverage. Kennedy opposed this, despite being on record supporting universal coverage. It would have been a major win for Carter, but Kennedy already knew he wanted to run…

You can buy catastrophic healthcare coverage, can't you?

Re: Jimmy Carter has died

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Post by kbutler »

acdha wrote: post #384
bluGill wrote: post #355

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Mass media was clearly on th side of cooling and anyone trying to argue anything else looks like an idiot to anyone with a memory. And mass media had plenty of science people to quote. (this is of course different from what science showed but almost nobody knows that - what we see on the media is reality)

This is untrue unless “mass media” means “one issue each of Time and Newsweek quoting Reid Bryson”.

Not that this will convince anyone currently attempting to rewrite this out of history (or determined to believe those who rewrite history), but the media panic, reporting on the scientific discussion, was much broader than that. The scientific studies and opinions varied - it was not one-sided, but the "ice age" predictions were much more marketable, at least.

5 minutes of checking found three issues of Time, one from 1994.

  * 24 Jun 1974 https://time.com/archive/6878023/another-ice-age/ (well-known)
  * 13 Nov 1972 https://time.com/archive/6844319/science-another-ice-age/ ("refuses to speculate")
  * 31 Jan 1994 https://time.com/archive/6724662/the-ice-age-cometh/ ("the greenhouse effect could heat up the planet for a while but then trigger changes that could plunge the earth into a sudden chill.")
Here are others:

  * “The Earth’s Cooling Climate,” Science News, November 15, 1969
  * “Colder Winters Held Dawn of New Ice Age,” Washington Post, January 11, 1970.
  * “Science:  Another Ice Age?”  Time Magazine, June 24, 1974.
  * “The Ice Age Cometh!”  Science News, March 1, 1975.
  * “The Cooling World,” Newsweek, April 28, 1975.
  * “Scientists Ask Why World Climate is Changing; Major Cooling May Be Ahead,” New York Times, May 21, 1975.
  * “In the Grip of a New Ice Age?” International Wildlife July-August, 1975.
  * “A Major Cooling Widely Considered to Be Inevitable,” New York Times, September 14, 1975.
  * “Variations in the Earth’s Orbit, Pacemaker of the Ice Ages,” Science magazine, December 10, 1976.

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Post by settrans »

sitkack wrote: post #459
settrans wrote: post #443

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https://visualizingpalestine.org/visual/shrinking-palestine/ Doesn't include the parts of Syria that Israel just expropriated. Are you sure you aren't parroting Zionist tropes? That sea phrase ... Likud Party Platform https://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/original-party-platform... > between the Sea and the Jordan there will only be Israeli sovereignty. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UjhXXspw7pw

So, the "Shrinking Palestine" graphic is a famous example of misleading Arafat propaganda. The instance you linked displays 4 maps, ostensibly comparing the area of "Palestine" versus "Israel". Each map is wrong:

- 1918: At this time, there was no such thing as a state of Israel, nor had there there any administrative district named Palestine nor any Ottoman territory with borders like these. Instead, there was a British Mandate for Palestine. The British did not claim sovereignty but were instead the custodians assigned by the League of Nations to administer the land until sovereignty was established. A better map looks like this: https://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/images/mandate1.gif

- 1947: The map here describes the "displacement of Palestinian inhabitants". Ignoring the fact that the term Palestinian was used to describe the Jews at that time, there was no such phenomenon of "displacing Palestinian inhabitants" through 1947; the land transfers were all voluntary purchases. Furthermore, this map confusingly contrasts Jewish settlements with blue colored empty land, as if to suggest that were somehow Arab land. A better map would look like this: https://i.redd.it/1dn46n9vgmw41.png

- 1960: While this is the first map that depicts a sovereign Israel, it conveniently ignores _why_ any Arab inhabitants were displaced: after the UN approved a division of Palestine among Jews and Arabs, the Arabs started a war of annihilation against the Jews, but ultimately lost. Confusingly, this map does not depict the 156,000 Arabs that remained as Israeli citizens (other than perhaps some in the Galilee?).

- 2015: This map oversimplifies the complexities of the Oslo accords, painting Area C as if Israel claimed sovereignty over it (Israel does not), and continues to obscure the ~2 million Arabs living in the state of Israel.

If you would like a more accurate timeline of Palestinian territory, see her: https://aijac.org.au/wp-content/uploads/2020/07/mor-768x614....

Side note: I'm always curious what people mean when they say "Zionist" here. It would imply that you're not a Zionist, i.e. you don't believe the Jews are entitled to sovereignty. Either you support destroying the state of Israel, or you have a different definition of Zionist I don't understand.

Re: Jimmy Carter has died

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Post by bhouston »

settrans wrote: post #446
bhouston wrote: post #415

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The controversial Greater Israel army patch seen in Gaza includes Sinai and the western banks of the Red Sea as well as a bunch of Iraq and Saudi Arabia. Of course the end point of expansion is likely not predetermined.

Controversial, as in almost certainly made up anti-Israel propaganda? Ryan McBeth presents his thoughtful analysis and debunking here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R8HWJ2v0R6k

I didn't say it was an official patch.

Settler ambitions are real though:

Settlement movement for Southern Lebanon: https://jewishcurrents.org/inside-the-movement-to-settle-sou.... Unclear if this will happen, depends if Israel actually does withdraw fully or not.

Resettlement movement for Gaza: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proposed_Israeli_resettlement_.... This is likely to happen on Trumps watch in Northern Gaza. The General's Plan is clearing out Northern Gaza of Arabs as we speak.

Permanent annexation of Golan Heights, and more land taken in Syria for the "foreseeable future": https://www.cbc.ca/news/israel-occupy-buffer-zone-syria-neta...

Re: Jimmy Carter has died

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Post by wewtyflakes »

benatkin wrote: post #140
lelandfe wrote: post #135

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Sadly, things in the 80's tended to get few upvotes on YouTube. But Carter really was the real deal: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jimmy_%26_Rosalynn_Carter_Work... > Habitat for Humanity might not be among the best major humanitarian charities Habitat-NYC is an independent affiliate, with its own CEO and everything.

If I was running a charity like that, I would try to curate the main YouTube account and make it so practically everything gets at least hundreds of likes.

Believe it or not, things mattered before Youtube existed.

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Post by selimthegrim »

transcriptase wrote: post #450
bluGill wrote: post #355

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Mass media was clearly on th side of cooling and anyone trying to argue anything else looks like an idiot to anyone with a memory. And mass media had plenty of science people to quote. (this is of course different from what science showed but almost nobody knows that - what we see on the media is reality)

The “we need to stop polluting or we’ll cause another ice age” was floating around classrooms in the 90s.

I remember reading a very solid article from the 90s by Imbrie (the father, not the son) about a global cooling model.

Re: Jimmy Carter has died

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Post by jliptzin »

eru wrote: post #473
GeekyBear wrote: post #316

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> Blaming Kennedy is a take I hadn't heard before. Carter wanted to pass legislation to give every American catastrophic healthcare coverage, so that a major medical incident would no longer bankrupt families, as a stepping stone towards universal coverage. Kennedy opposed this, despite being on record supporting universal coverage. It would have been a major win for Carter, but Kennedy already knew he wanted to run…

You can buy catastrophic healthcare coverage, can't you?

Everyone already has it, the cost is just absorbed by the public instead of being taken out of the taxes of the person receiving the emergency care, assuming they can’t afford the hospital bill.

Re: Jimmy Carter has died

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Post by bhouston »

settrans wrote: post #443
bhouston wrote: post #361

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My view of the future is that Israel’s borders will probably continue to expand opportunistically for the forseeable future. This is a doctrine known as Greater Israel. At some point the Egypt-Israel relationship could deteriorate and Israel could expand in that direction again. Overall expansionist/conquest urges are back in with Russia, US under Trump and Israel. We will probably see China also get into the act.

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> I'm surprised to see such conspiracy theories favored by the likes of Osama Bin Laden and Yasser Arafat like "Greater Israel" trumpeted on Hacker News.

I read about it primarily in the Israeli newspaper Ha'aretz. Here are a few recent articles on the topic, no need to read Osama Bin Laden or Yassar Arafat:

"Trump's Return Is a Victory for Greater Israel, Annexation and Apartheid"

https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/2024-11-10/ty-article/.p...

"From Mount Hermon's Peaks, Netanyahu Plots His Vision of a Greater Israel"

https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/2024-12-11/ty-article/.p...

"The Greater Israel Ideology of Bezalel Smotrich Has Already Lost"

https://www.haaretz.com/opinion/2024-02-04/ty-article-opinio...

Or you can read the Times of Israel.

"The wind is at their backs. Activists screaming for a Greater Israel want the government to annex Gaza, Judea, and Samaria. Former U.S. Ambassador to Israel David Friedman has published the manifesto."

https://blogs.timesofisrael.com/annexation-now-is-not-the-ti...

Saying that I cannot discuss Great Israel when it is a common topic in the Israeli press is just weird and strange gatekeeping.

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