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Post by bdangubic »

malandrew wrote: post #70
bdangubic wrote: post #68

Earlier quoted context omitted.

you wrote a whole bunch of words that I can sum up - yea america sucks but so does everyone else (false) - yea america is obese but so is everyone else (false) - being lonely is a function of your political affiliation (this was absolutely amazing to see - wow) - things are great cause I have few friends who barbeque - kids cannot walk alone because of urban vs. rural (wild wild wild stuff, one of the most urban plac…

Strawman much? I don't understand how you can get "America sucks" from from my comments. I love this place. All the stuff you said sucks are things that suck in lots of other countries too. Why am I going to get upset about phenomena that's happening everywhere? The things I like about America are those things that are unique to America. > being lonely is a function of your political affiliation (this was absolutely…

If you're so unhappy in the US, why are you here? Why not move back to wherever you're happier that has culture when you think the US has no culture?

my wife likes money. she said 2 more years and then we are out to retire. I have been begging my wife to move for the last 11 years since my kid has been born as I consider the worst thing I ever did as a father was to subject her childhood to this environment. she is old enough now and has traveled all over the world that now she is doing more begging than I am. america is perfect place to make a boatload of money if you put in hard hard work but all else is really bad and we make excuses because money is sooooo great

Re: Trump sides with Musk on support for H-1B visas for foreign tech workers

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Post by bfrog »

energy123 wrote: post #62
xpl wrote: post #49

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Nobody here is anti-immigration. The reality is that the H1B program is being used not to bring in individuals with 130+ IQ, but essentially anyone with a bachelor's degree, which can be easily obtained from diploma mills. In some third-world countries, you can even buy your degree outright. For the top 0.1%, there are O1 visas, as well as EB1 and EB2-NIW visas — the latter two don't even require an employer and can…

If H1B immigrants generates more tax revenue and contribute more on average than locals, largely because of gems like Sundar Pichai that couldn't make the bureaucratic credentialist hurdle of the O1, then what's the problem? It should be expanded and reformed, not contracted and reformed. If you're concerned about degree mills then reform that aspect while expanding the net intake.

Sundar Pichai a gem? What? Are we using the same Google?

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Post by sinuhe69 »

jmpman wrote: post #69

I used to travel for work, and one year covered companies in St Louis. St Louis is approximately 50% white and 50% black, and yet whenever I went into these companies, the demographics were 50% white and 50% Indian, with blacks only being found as security guards at the front desk. It felt like the H1B were used to fill the low level positions that could have been taken by aspiring black Americans. Steve Bannon made…

There are clearly abuses, and the abuses should be addressed; it will also be good for the valid H1-B applicants. One simple solution is to raise the salary threshold. H1-B for store managers is obviously not justified.

On the other hand, there's no question that H1-B or similar programmes help the American economy enormously. Especially for talented graduates from top American universities. Why not hire them if you don't have to pay for their education? They even contribute significantly to the coffers of American universities, indirectly allowing Americans to study at a much cheaper price.

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Post by arresin »

energy123 wrote: post #26
breadwinner wrote: post #9

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Here are the folks who contributed to the "Attention is all you need" paper [1] which changed the world as we know it, and the countries they came from. I rest my case. Ashish Vaswani: India Noam Shazeer: USA Niki Parmar: India Jakob Uszkoreit: Germany Llion Jones: USA Aidan Gomez: British Canadian Lukasz Kaiser: Poland Illia Polosukhin: Ukraine [1] https://arxiv.org/abs/1706.03762

I'm dumbfounded that some people think high-skilled immigration is negative sum. It is so glaringly positive sum. Another country invested 20 years to train a 130 IQ person from birth to tertiary educated. And then the US gets to skim the top 0.1% off that expensive process without paying a dime. These immigrants then generate consumption, scientific discoveries and found companies in their prime working years, which…

> a 130 IQ person

I’m not so sure this is the average H1-B.

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Post by malandrew »

bdangubic wrote: post #71
malandrew wrote: post #70

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Strawman much? I don't understand how you can get "America sucks" from from my comments. I love this place. All the stuff you said sucks are things that suck in lots of other countries too. Why am I going to get upset about phenomena that's happening everywhere? The things I like about America are those things that are unique to America. > being lonely is a function of your political affiliation (this was absolutely…

If you're so unhappy in the US, why are you here? Why not move back to wherever you're happier that has culture when you think the US has no culture? my wife likes money. she said 2 more years and then we are out to retire. I have been begging my wife to move for the last 11 years since my kid has been born as I consider the worst thing I ever did as a father was to subject her childhood to this environment. she is o…

Got it. Wish you the best. Wish you had had a better experience here like I have. Only thing I can surmise is that you ended up in some cities in your list that left a lot to be desired. Denver is the only place on that list I'd ever consider living in. I'm unfamiliar with Fayetteville, AR, so no thoughts there, but I'd never want to live in DC, Chicago or St Louis.

What was your favorite city out of all those and what was your least favorite?

Are you and your wife from the same country? Did you meet in the US or came here together?

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Post by FireBeyond »

malandrew wrote: post #70
bdangubic wrote: post #68

Earlier quoted context omitted.

you wrote a whole bunch of words that I can sum up - yea america sucks but so does everyone else (false) - yea america is obese but so is everyone else (false) - being lonely is a function of your political affiliation (this was absolutely amazing to see - wow) - things are great cause I have few friends who barbeque - kids cannot walk alone because of urban vs. rural (wild wild wild stuff, one of the most urban plac…

Strawman much? I don't understand how you can get "America sucks" from from my comments. I love this place. All the stuff you said sucks are things that suck in lots of other countries too. Why am I going to get upset about phenomena that's happening everywhere? The things I like about America are those things that are unique to America. > being lonely is a function of your political affiliation (this was absolutely…

> I was pointing out correlation. I didn't imply causation. You're reading causation into what I wrote. Loneliness or just general unhappiness is far less prevalent amongst those that lean conservative and very conservative. It's probably something worth investigating to figure out why this correlation exists.

I think this is disingenuous. You also heavily implied that feminism is at the root of many women's issues. You can't then pull it back and say "Oh, I didn't mean that, you just assumed that". So what -did- you mean?

You also blatantly ignore that conservative and very conservative community have a stigma against mental health issues. While someone "investigates" this, they should probably also investigate whether it is actually the case or whether conservatives with mental health issues are more likely to leave them untreated or deny their existence.

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Post by anonzzzies »

malandrew wrote: post #75
bdangubic wrote: post #71

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you're so unhappy in the US, why are you here? Why not move back to wherever you're happier that has culture when you think the US has no culture? my wife likes money. she said 2 more years and then we are out to retire. I have been begging my wife to move for the last 11 years since my kid has been born as I consider the worst thing I ever did as a father was to subject her childhood to this environment. she is o…

Got it. Wish you the best. Wish you had had a better experience here like I have. Only thing I can surmise is that you ended up in some cities in your list that left a lot to be desired. Denver is the only place on that list I'd ever consider living in. I'm unfamiliar with Fayetteville, AR, so no thoughts there, but I'd never want to live in DC, Chicago or St Louis. What was your favorite city out of all those and wh…

I must admit; you actually try to convey why the US is great besides making money (or, as many maga idiots cite; gun ownership and 'freedom'. Kudos for that; you cited 0 things I would personally be interested in; we have bbqs and national holidays; both are nice the first time and then, well, not so much. The rest shows that you over sampled the koolaid and actually believe trump is going to make things 'even better' and believe that all systemic issues are wokeness and weakness. I hope you are really very rich as hard times coming, but then again, you did want those; president musk said; things will become much worse and people will need to tighten their belts before it becomes better. Which is code for my mate trump and our other mates will rob everything (mostly in terms of removing all regulatory oversight, rich/company taxes etc) in the coming 4 years and someone else can take over that turd while we go make more money after that. And smart people like you who got a chance actually think that they mean this is for the country and the people.

I digress; there is no culture except maybe the idiotic focus on sports (watching that is; everyone still obese!), although that's no different in AUS and for a large extent the UK, so actually, nope.

Disclaimer; lived and worked in the US; left the first time trump got the presidency.

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Post by ertdfgcvb »

hard to say how much of this will actually translate into policy. The last revision to the policy helped close out loopholes, may be more to come? Unlikely that the H1B is going away any time soon. Domestic workers will need to adapt and grind, very hard indeed in this job market. Definitely need more bridges between domenstic and immigrant workers to avoid online vitriol spilling IRL.

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Post by malandrew »

anonzzzies wrote: post #77
malandrew wrote: post #75

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Got it. Wish you the best. Wish you had had a better experience here like I have. Only thing I can surmise is that you ended up in some cities in your list that left a lot to be desired. Denver is the only place on that list I'd ever consider living in. I'm unfamiliar with Fayetteville, AR, so no thoughts there, but I'd never want to live in DC, Chicago or St Louis. What was your favorite city out of all those and wh…

I must admit; you actually try to convey why the US is great besides making money (or, as many maga idiots cite; gun ownership and 'freedom'. Kudos for that; you cited 0 things I would personally be interested in; we have bbqs and national holidays; both are nice the first time and then, well, not so much. The rest shows that you over sampled the koolaid and actually believe trump is going to make things 'even better…

> you cited 0 things I would personally be interested in

what things are you interested in that are cultural?

> as hard times coming

This wouldn't surprise me, but unless it happens in 2nd to 4th year of his presidency, it's almost certainly going to be the bipartisan drunken sailor spending of Congress since the pandemic our country likely had a hand in causing.

Between accelerating national debt and our disastrous Ukraine war banking policies and international asset seizures that have undermined dollar supremacy, I'm expecting hard times unless we get a Milei-style intervention to course correct.

> Disclaimer; lived and worked in the US; left the first time trump got the presidency.

Hope that's working out for you. It's working out here for me.

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Post by trealira »

malandrew wrote: post #67
MyShawdowySelf wrote: post #61

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> I'm more American in attitude than most Americans I know. I am not sure what's this "American attitude" you mention here nor which scale you are using to say that you are somewhat higher on that scale vs "most" American. Been here for about 8 years, live in a bunch of places in the world. For me the most striking thing about the US as always been the sheer diversity of thoughts and perspectives. That and also the f…

I'm not surprised by your interpretation of a lot of my comment. Coastal/Urban America hasn't had anything resembling a common culture for a lot longer than 8 years now. I'd say that it's been a wholly different place pre- and post- 9/11. Your view of America is limited by your experience of it in the past 8 years. I assure you, it was very very different even just 20 years ago. America pre-social media was a very ve…

>> America was never a "high trust culture".

> Absolutely not true. It was much much higher trust when I first moved here in 1986

I don't believe it, especially given that you're saying this is due to immigration. What do you mean specifically when you say this? Do you mean there was less violent crime? Because that isn't true. Do you mean that there's more ethnic conflict now? That also isn't really true.

America has been characterized largely by the racial conflicts it's had since the 19th century, with there being ethnic violence between whites, Chinese, Irish, blacks, Italians, and others. Though not to the same extent as the 19th century, riots were still happening, e.g. the 1992 LA riots.

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