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Re: Jimmy Carter has died

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Post by insane_dreamer »

linguae wrote: post #68
hylaride wrote: post #50

One could argue he set the stage for the 1980s economic boom by making short term sacrifices that cost him re-election. It was his administration that did market-oriented deregulation around airlines and trucking industries (meaning you didn't need to have a licence to ship goods across state lines and go through monopoly trucking companies to get your goods to market) as well as appointed Paul Volcker as Fed chair w…

For these reasons, Jimmy Carter is my third-favorite president of the 20th century, behind my favorite, Calvin Coolidge, and my second-favorite, Dwight Eisenhower. I am a very big fan of Paul Volcker and I’m glad Jimmy Carter nominated him as chair of the Fed. I wish Reagan kept Volcker as chair during Reagan’s second term.

What's special about Coolidge?

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Post by cbsmith »

consumer451 wrote: post #206
jmclnx wrote: post #20

Looking back, to me he was a much better president then people believed in the 80s. I believe if he got re-elected in 1980, the US would be in a much better place. One thing, it could be argued real work on Climate Change would have begun in 1981 as opposed to where we are now, which is just watching the average probably blowing past 3C in around 70 years from now. For his loss in 1980, I still blame Kennedy. RIP, he…

Blaming Kennedy is a take I hadn't heard before. I always gave the folks behind Reagan a lot of credit, as it is a historical fact that they conspired with a foreign power to hold the American hostages until after the election. > A Four-Decade Secret: One Man’s Story of Sabotaging Carter’s Re-election > A prominent Texas politician said he unwittingly took part in a 1980 tour of the Middle East with a clandestine age…

> Blaming Kennedy is a take I hadn't heard before.

It was a broadly established take, and the reason why there's a superstition about sitting Presidents having opponents in primaries.

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Post by bdangubic »

Aunche wrote: post #386
bdangubic wrote: post #262

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messaging is hard when prices never went down… you can’t send economist/finacial times article explaining what biden was able to pull of (albeit the raising deficit) to a farmer in oklahoma who is paying 80% more for his groceries…

Another problem is that people will blame the government entirely on inflation, but then give themselves the credit for wage increases. It doesn't help that wage increases disproportionately go towards those those to switch jobs.

it is extremely difficult to make this into an election issue - impossible to explain to “joe voter”

Re: Jimmy Carter has died

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Post by bhouston »

insane_dreamer wrote: post #405
bhouston wrote: post #361

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My view of the future is that Israel’s borders will probably continue to expand opportunistically for the forseeable future. This is a doctrine known as Greater Israel. At some point the Egypt-Israel relationship could deteriorate and Israel could expand in that direction again. Overall expansionist/conquest urges are back in with Russia, US under Trump and Israel. We will probably see China also get into the act.

> Israel could expand in that direction again I agree that Israel harbors Zionist destructive ambitions, but it doesn't really extend beyond "Greater Israel" which is the extent of Israel in Biblical times under King David and King Solomon. That does not extend in Egypt's direction, but it does include Lebanon, Syria and Jordan, so it's no coincidence that Israel has pushed in those directions (southern Lebanon, Gola…

The controversial Greater Israel army patch seen in Gaza includes Sinai and the western banks of the Red Sea as well as a bunch of Iraq and Saudi Arabia. Of course the end point of expansion is likely not predetermined.

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Post by macintux »

Levitz wrote: post #354
JasserInicide wrote: post #264

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Republicans have always been pro-immigrant because it's inherently pro-business. They just have to do a song and dance routine for the low IQ racist cohort of their constituency to make it seem like they're tough on it. Though I will say it's been rather amusing watching people act betrayed by Elon's thoughts on H1-B visa holders. Like, how did you idiots not see this coming? He's the richest person in the world for…

>Republicans have always been pro-immigrant because it's inherently pro-business. They just have to do a song and dance routine for the low IQ racist cohort of their constituency to make it seem like they're tough on it. It has consistently been about illegal immigration. You are calling people "low IQ" and "Idiots" and you, literally in this very post, show you are falling for the same thing they fell for.

> It has consistently been about illegal immigration.

Not Trump. He’s been opposed to immigration from the ‘wrong” countries, regardless of legality.

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Post by cbsmith »

chasil wrote: post #293
gerdesj wrote: post #280

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"70s energy policy was a result of the oil crisis, not environment concerns." Quite - the environment was not much of a concern. Bear in mind that lead in petrol was your anti-knock agent and the catalytic convertor didn't exist. I remember really yellow coloured, sickly verges alongside roads and strawberry sellers in laybyes on the A303 ...

In the 1970s, the feared effect was global cooling. I doubt that Carter could have intervened in any case. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global_cooling

I was alive in the 1970's and I can tell you that aside from a Time magazine article, Global cooling was not a broadly feared effect.

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Post by acdha »

llm_trw wrote: post #202
xattt wrote: post #176

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> the US would be in a much better place This would have been the case with Gore (2000) and Clinton (2016) too.

Gore was a bigger warmonger than Bush in the 2000 election. I don't see how we would have had a better outcome with him in power. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P6nW2Uow-zk&pp=ygUeQnVzaCBub... In case you don't believe that.

The Republican Party platform:

> We support the full implementation of the Iraq Liberation Act, which should be regarded as a starting point in a comprehensive plan for the removal of Saddam Hussein and the restoration of international inspections in collaboration with his successor. Republicans recognize that peace and stability in the Persian Gulf is impossible as long as Saddam Hussein rules Iraq.

https://web.archive.org/web/20060421063832/http://www.cnn.co...

While Bush tried to portray himself as more isolationist, his advisors and appointees were not inline with those campaign promises, and indeed the history confirms that impression:

> “From the very beginning, there was a conviction that Saddam Hussein was a bad person and that he needed to go,” O’Neill said in the interview with “60 Minutes.”

https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-2004-jan-11-fg-oneil...

Similarly, in March of 2001 they were trying to line up companies interested in taking over Iraq’s oil production.

> Despite oil industry denials to Congress and Cheney’s claims of executive privilege–which led to a lawsuit that ultimately reached the Supreme Court–White House visitor logs revealed that Cheney’s Energy Policy Task Force met with approximately 300 groups and individuals from February to April 2001. The vast majority of these meetings were with representatives of the fossil fuels industry.

https://nsarchive.gwu.edu/document/18216-national-security-a...

https://www.judicialwatch.org/oldsite/IraqOilFrgnSuitors.pdf

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Post by macintux »

bdangubic wrote: post #283
JasserInicide wrote: post #264

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Republicans have always been pro-immigrant because it's inherently pro-business. They just have to do a song and dance routine for the low IQ racist cohort of their constituency to make it seem like they're tough on it. Though I will say it's been rather amusing watching people act betrayed by Elon's thoughts on H1-B visa holders. Like, how did you idiots not see this coming? He's the richest person in the world for…

wait until they find out he is an immigrant… they are still processing vance is married to an indian and that vivek is not white…

There are doubts about Melania’s immigration status. She may have worked under the wrong visa and lied about it when filing for naturalization, which would make her an illegal immigrant as well.

Re: Jimmy Carter has died

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Post by johnohara »

A couple of observations to give insight into the USA's political sentiment at the time:

1. In 1976, Ford carried California, Illinois, Virginia, and every western state except Texas. Carter carried Texas, Wisconsin, Ohio and almost all southern states including Florida.

2. When Carter won the country was still coming to terms with Vietnam, was completely dismayed by the Watergate scandal and subsequent pardon, was witnessing chaos in Iran, was living under the threat of mutually assured destruction, was experiencing rampant inflation, rising oil prices, a stagnant economy, and possessed a large group of rebellious baby-boomers kicking at the stalls but not quite ready-for-primetime.

The USA needed Jimmy Carter's southern sensibilities, humility, and values in order to take a deep breath.

Rest in Peace Mr. President. Well done in retrospect.

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