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Re: Jimmy Carter has died

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Post by bluGill »

kortilla wrote: post #247
bdangubic wrote: post #230

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The public despises our current health care system. if this is true, “the public” has a very funny way of showing that. you just mention a different health care system to 1/2 of this country and see where that takes you (will guess you will hear socialism during those rants…) :)

The public likes the immediate access to healthcare, they just don’t like it when the bill comes due. That’s why you get complaints about healthcare wait times in Canada and the UK when people propose adopting fully nationalized systems like those. Those complaints come from people with decent to good insurance that have never been bitten by a denial, which unfortunately is the majority of the employed population. Pe…

For the majority who are not denied our system is better. Waits are rarely long and that costs money as well.

i don't like the curret system but it isn't as bad as you would think if you read he comnents on the internet.

Re: Jimmy Carter has died

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Post by chasil »

epistasis wrote: post #317
chasil wrote: post #293

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In the 1970s, the feared effect was global cooling. I doubt that Carter could have intervened in any case. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global_cooling

I'm not sure your article agrees that cooling was the dominant thought in the public sphere: > "While neither scientists nor the public could be sure in the 1970s whether the world was warming or cooling, people were increasingly inclined to believe that global climate was on the move, and in no small way" And it definitely wasn't in the scientific world: > Concern peaked in the early 1970s, though "the possibility o…

Here is an article from the New York Times in 1975, that trots out quite a few Ph.D. recipients:

"That the climate, at least in the Northern Hemisphere, has been getting cooler since about 1950, is well estabt lished—if one ignores the last two winters."

https://archive.ph/k6xfu

Re: Jimmy Carter has died

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Post by mcv »

jmclnx wrote: post #20

Looking back, to me he was a much better president then people believed in the 80s. I believe if he got re-elected in 1980, the US would be in a much better place. One thing, it could be argued real work on Climate Change would have begun in 1981 as opposed to where we are now, which is just watching the average probably blowing past 3C in around 70 years from now. For his loss in 1980, I still blame Kennedy. RIP, he…

He was that rare honest politician, and I get the impression the US hates honest politicians and worships liars. Carter was far better than the US deserved.

Re: Jimmy Carter has died

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Post by acdha »

bluGill wrote: post #355
epistasis wrote: post #317

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I'm not sure your article agrees that cooling was the dominant thought in the public sphere: > "While neither scientists nor the public could be sure in the 1970s whether the world was warming or cooling, people were increasingly inclined to believe that global climate was on the move, and in no small way" And it definitely wasn't in the scientific world: > Concern peaked in the early 1970s, though "the possibility o…

Mass media was clearly on th side of cooling and anyone trying to argue anything else looks like an idiot to anyone with a memory. And mass media had plenty of science people to quote. (this is of course different from what science showed but almost nobody knows that - what we see on the media is reality)

This is untrue unless “mass media” means “one issue each of Time and Newsweek quoting Reid Bryson”.

Re: Jimmy Carter has died

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Post by boroboro4 »

kortilla wrote: post #247
bdangubic wrote: post #230

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The public despises our current health care system. if this is true, “the public” has a very funny way of showing that. you just mention a different health care system to 1/2 of this country and see where that takes you (will guess you will hear socialism during those rants…) :)

The public likes the immediate access to healthcare, they just don’t like it when the bill comes due. That’s why you get complaints about healthcare wait times in Canada and the UK when people propose adopting fully nationalized systems like those. Those complaints come from people with decent to good insurance that have never been bitten by a denial, which unfortunately is the majority of the employed population. Pe…

I’m not sure which immediate healthcare you’re talking about. Where I live in the US earliest available specialist I was seeking (nothing too special) was months away.

We do have highest spending for healthcare among peers, having healthcare universal wouldn’t necessary mean long wait times.

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Post by Aunche »

bdangubic wrote: post #262
distortionfield wrote: post #255

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Right? Biden actually pulled off a soft landing and got inflation under control. Just couldn’t land that messaging by the time it mattered.

messaging is hard when prices never went down… you can’t send economist/finacial times article explaining what biden was able to pull of (albeit the raising deficit) to a farmer in oklahoma who is paying 80% more for his groceries…

Another problem is that people will blame the government entirely on inflation, but then give themselves the credit for wage increases. It doesn't help that wage increases disproportionately go towards those those to switch jobs.

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Post by bluGill »

jdewerd wrote: post #174
bdndndndbve wrote: post #125

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FDR doesn't make the cut?

Oh, he only busted the Great Depression, won WWII, built half of the infrastructure that we keep kicking the expiration date on, and negotiated 80% of the beneficial fine print in your employment contract. Don't you think he could have done a bit more? My list would be: 1. FDR, 2. Carter, 3. Teddy. Carter because he sacrificed his career to fix inflation (Republican attempts to rewrite history notwithstanding), and T…

He didn't end the depression. it clearly continued right to wwii. You can dabate how things might have been if he had been allowed all his ideas (some of which were as undemocratic as what trump wants)

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Post by golemiprague »

bhouston wrote: post #237
siltcakes wrote: post #15

Carter was the most pro-Palestinian president of the 20th century. It's worth reading his book Palestine: Peace Not Apartheid . https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestine:_Peace_Not_Apartheid

I would argue that he was pro-peace. He wanted both Israel and Palestine to exist, not one at the expense of the other. Just as he peace treaty with Egypt was pro-Peace not pro-Egyptian. For this reason he opposed Israeli settlements in the West Bank saying they were leading to a situation akin to apartheid, eg https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/campaigns/2022/02/israels-... It wasn’t very successful as a proposition…

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Post by Terr_ »

zizee wrote: post #244
Terr_ wrote: post #187

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Over in Washington, the Hanford nuclear site is a big demonstration that we haven't really solved the holistic problems of nuclear waste. (Technical, financial, legal, political.) Even just trying to ship it elsewhere for processing gets blocked by other states and cities.

Most of the storage challenges are political, rather than engineering. There is so much fear around this stuff, but it's usually based on the incorrect notion that radioactive wastes is both super dangerous, and lasts forever. But this is not true. The super dangerous stuff doesn't hang around that long, whilst the stuff that does isn't that dangerous. The super-duper dangerous radioactive waste has a relatively shor…

Perhaps, but the world is full of examples of problems that are/were "solvable" but remained unsolved for long periods of time causing a lot of harm.

The fact that the problem still exists at all is an indicator it's not actually that easy.

Re: Jimmy Carter has died

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Post by SquibblesRedux »

sedatk wrote: post #337
lelandfe wrote: post #25

RIP Jimmy Carter. A model of living meaningfully in old age. The Onion has many funny bits on the guy's age[0]. "Former President Jimmy Carter, 98, announced Tuesday that he had gotten his recent vasectomy reversed," "Jimmy Carter Makes Pact With Dianne Feinstein That If Both Single In 50 Years They’ll Marry Each Other,""Jimmy Carter Concerned Desire For Fresh Faces In Democratic Party May Hurt His Chances In 2020" I…

and they finished it with: "48-year old rabbit finally finishes the job". https://theonion.com/48-year-old-rabbit-finally-finishes-the...

For those who do not know the reference...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jimmy_Carter_rabbit_incident

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