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Re: Jimmy Carter has died

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Post by onetimeusename »

jmclnx wrote: post #20

Looking back, to me he was a much better president then people believed in the 80s. I believe if he got re-elected in 1980, the US would be in a much better place. One thing, it could be argued real work on Climate Change would have begun in 1981 as opposed to where we are now, which is just watching the average probably blowing past 3C in around 70 years from now. For his loss in 1980, I still blame Kennedy. RIP, he…

What's your opinion on China's and India's carbon dioxide emissions over the next 10 years?

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Post by mmooss »

jmclnx wrote: post #59
khazhoux wrote: post #34

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> For his loss in 1980, I still blame Kennedy. Explain?

Kennedy split the split the Democratic Party, causing people not to bother to vote. Plus it gave Reagan many talking points, which then started the move of Union People to the GOP.

Is there evidence of that?

The centrist Dems always blame those further left, not themselves. They did it in 2016 and this year too.

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Post by yyyk »

NewJazz wrote: post #327
yyyk wrote: post #182

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>it could be argued real work on Climate Change would have begun in 1981 as opposed to where we are now That's a common myth. 70s energy policy was a result of the oil crisis, not environment concerns. Sometimes the result was conductive to the environment (e.g. efficiency increases), sometimes it was less so (various US gov research into more polluting alternatives like synthetic oil or shale oil), and sometimes it…

There are serious proliferation concerns surrounding nuclear waste reprocessing. Btw Carter put solar panels on the white house.

Which didn't justify the ban. Other countries didn't follow suit, main effect was hurting US nuclear industry and increasing pollution.

P.S. These weren't solar panels (i.e. electricity generation), but solar water heaters. A very different tech, a useful tech, but not a global warming solution.

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Post by Projectiboga »

jmclnx wrote: post #20

Looking back, to me he was a much better president then people believed in the 80s. I believe if he got re-elected in 1980, the US would be in a much better place. One thing, it could be argued real work on Climate Change would have begun in 1981 as opposed to where we are now, which is just watching the average probably blowing past 3C in around 70 years from now. For his loss in 1980, I still blame Kennedy. RIP, he…

The plan was set to have ended oil imports by the year 2000. Just making buildings across the sunbelt more reflective of infra red on their roofs could have helped reduce growth in peak demand as the south and west have grown.

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Post by mmooss »

readthenotes1 wrote: post #71
jmclnx wrote: post #20

Looking back, to me he was a much better president then people believed in the 80s. I believe if he got re-elected in 1980, the US would be in a much better place. One thing, it could be argued real work on Climate Change would have begun in 1981 as opposed to where we are now, which is just watching the average probably blowing past 3C in around 70 years from now. For his loss in 1980, I still blame Kennedy. RIP, he…

Look a little harder. The people living through the 1970s knew how bad he was and chose to put him out. He had bad staff, bad relations with the overwhelmingly Democratic Congress, and we got the Mayaguez, iran hostage, stagflation, and other troubles too many to list. He was a bad president, a good man, and a great ex-president.

Did he create those problems or inherit them? The situations in Iran, OPEC, etc. long pre-dated Carter. Another problem was a military that was ruined in terms of morale and probably in wear-and-tear by Vietnam.

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Post by rayiner »

olddustytrail wrote: post #298
rayiner wrote: post #268

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Not at all! I think it’s worse for the country to import foreign elites, like my family, than low skill workers. Foreign elites are the people most responsible for the dysfunction in their home countries.

Fair enough, I stand corrected! You think it was a mistake to allow you in and are a net negative to your country?

I think if the people of Virginia were voting in 1989 whether to allow in me and 500,000 people like me, those people would not be better off as a result of choosing immigration.

- We have made their schools and jobs more competitive. We don’t have the taboo on open competition like British Americans, and don’t have the same idea of raising “well rounded” kids. My dad grew up in a village where 20% of kids died before age 5. He got out because he is a grinder. My parents socialized me to work 16 hours a day, discouraged dating, or having any hobbies that you couldn’t put on a resume, etc. I went to a STEM magnet school that went from 20-25% asian when I was there to 70% asian at the peak, and we completely changed the culture.

- We have facilitated societal changes, because we don’t value individual liberty as highly but place more value on social order. We don’t value common wisdom the way British Americans do, but place more value on formal education and credentials.

- We have reduced social cohesion. My family feels no personal solidarity with poor Americans. My family is economically liberal in a generic sense, but only insofar as they don’t personally have to pay more taxes.

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Post by sedatk »

lelandfe wrote: post #25

RIP Jimmy Carter. A model of living meaningfully in old age. The Onion has many funny bits on the guy's age[0]. "Former President Jimmy Carter, 98, announced Tuesday that he had gotten his recent vasectomy reversed," "Jimmy Carter Makes Pact With Dianne Feinstein That If Both Single In 50 Years They’ll Marry Each Other,""Jimmy Carter Concerned Desire For Fresh Faces In Democratic Party May Hurt His Chances In 2020" I…

and they finished it with: "48-year old rabbit finally finishes the job". https://theonion.com/48-year-old-rabbit-finally-finishes-the...

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Post by AdieuToLogic »

bdangubic wrote: post #198
llm_trw wrote: post #188

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that is because in america a large majority of people’s entire identity is tied to one of the two political parties. there are no liberals who believe is small government and state’s rights, no conservatives who believe in woman’s rights or that america would collapse without immigrants… for majority of people every single opinion and thought they have just magically lines up with one political party - maaaagic… henc…

Categorizing in terms of absolutes, such as "there are no liberals who ..." and "no conservatives who ...", is to engage in reductionism for the purpose of supporting a preconceived notion:

  ... for majority of people every single opinion and thought
  they have just magically lines up with one political party ...
This is simply not true.

Re: Jimmy Carter has died

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Post by bb88 »

kortilla wrote: post #250
bb88 wrote: post #181

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Three Mile Island and then Chernobyl kinda killed that dream. Both had bad actors trying to cover up the leak, and caused the nuclear scare to go even worse. France also has majority ownership of the nuclear plants, something that would never fly in the US (because Socialism!). Even when I was an intern at a power company, the leaders there saw the nuclear power plant the company owned as an "albatross around their n…

> France also has majority ownership of the nuclear plants, something that would never fly in the US (because Socialism!). Socialism is a red herring. 3 mile island and Chernobyl showed that state owned and private owned can equally be fucked up. France owning their plants is completely orthogonal to safety.

No one could be held responsible for the people affected by either of those accidents. Metropolitan Edison was only responsible to the regulatory agencies and their shareholders. Russia was a dictatorship.

The problem with regulatory agencies in the US are, they're not directly voted in by the public and they can be corrupted by bribery or regulatory capture.

Further violating regulations results in monetary fines or maybe getting their license revoked, but not jail time for the bad actors.

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