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Trying to use Bluesky without getting burned again

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Re: Trying to use Bluesky without getting burned again

#181

This seems like a rather poor excuse to not try and integrate with the Fediverse/mastodon. Yes, managing your own space is more complicated than using a manager solution, but like, isn't that always going to be the case?

For someone technical, this is certainly an option, but the other half of the argument is that you need to be where the other people are. In this respect, Mastondon is not something the average social media user finds easy, and why Bluesky is having success with this group.

Re: Trying to use Bluesky without getting burned again

#182
post #120

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"every user is attached to a server and the server operator holds all the power, while the user holds none" So run your own server.

I found it a lot easier to set up my BlueSky instance than Mastodon. Mastodon to me feels like it was built with the explicit goal to keep out anybody non-technical, and for technical people, only the type that wants to corner you at a party and discuss the deep philosophical and moral choices of your Linux desktop environment.

What you're describing there is the "actual work" which can either be done by someone else and funded by investor capital (see the beginning of this thread) or you learn to do it yourself and in return you are not beholden to investors who will eventually try to extract a profit from you and your peers.

Easy is seldom truly free.

Re: Trying to use Bluesky without getting burned again

#183
post #178

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> Bluesky, Mastodon, and what's left of Twitter/X are all pretty much dead in my experience. Define "alive" and "dead". As a Mastodon user, it certainly is very much alive to me. I follow a lot of well known people, and that number isn't dropping. This reminds of almost every Emacs thread here. People claiming it's dead/dying because of VSCode, whereas if you're active in the Emacs community, all you can see is growt…

I don't care about well known people. I could perhaps rebuild networks but I really haven't and I like many others I've thrown my arms up in the air and said whatever.

You are but one generation and the next won't have your same baggage.

Re: Trying to use Bluesky without getting burned again

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If you think BlueSky is political, Mastodon is worse. Mastodon ends up creating significant echo chambers where admins ban communication with other instances for having people with different opinions to them (rather than just delisting in the public feed) and on can ban you and stop you moving your data to another instance. On Mastodon, admins can also be pressured into banning users by other admins under fear of hav…

I think that is federation working as intended. These instance admins are exercising their right to free speech by not federating with instances that contain content they disagree with or disallow on their instance. I think it's not at all comparable to a corporate entity like X being in full control and able to censor any content. You may create your own instance and federate with the instances you want. If an insta…

Your mindset certainly makes me never want to use Mastodon for anything.

Re: Trying to use Bluesky without getting burned again

#185

When Bluesky announced they were taking on large amounts of capital to handle the growth that's when I knew their days were numbered. Capital requires returns, and a lot of the degradation of the user experience in the past few years is due to catering to investors and advertisers (who are the actual customers). Decentralization as is promised is one way to mitigate this, but there's no economic incentive to go throu…

I feel like there's a lot of appealing to prevailing HN sentiment in this post. So much so that there's little substance. What actual things are you worried about or unhappy regarding with Bluesky? It's not perfect, and if you have problems with its decentralization posture, Christine Lemmer-Webber has a fantastic post [1] detailing her problems with the protocol. Bluesky has the AT Protocol underneath it and has infrastructural components that can allow other entities to run Bluesky.

So my problem with this post, and general griping like this, is that by leaning so heavily on a shared boogeyman (that of "enshittification" or whatever) that there stops being concrete actionable complaints and more just general anger. Solutions can only come when we discuss problems.

At times a cynical portion of me even thinks this sort of posting is just low-key karma farming too, but I know that's too uncharitable a take, and I realize venting to the in-group can be therapeutic.

[1]: https://dustycloud.org/blog/re-re-bluesky-decentralization/

Re: Trying to use Bluesky without getting burned again

#186
post #16

>“you’re telling me there’s a @choldgraf@hachyderm.io and a @choldgraf@mastodon.social and they’re two different people?!” Yes, and choldgraf@gmail.com and choldgraf@ibm.com are different email-people, too. This is not a hard concept.

This was the weakest point of the whole article, particularly because Mastodon and Bluesky are identical in this respect. The reason he doesn't realize it is that almost everyone is on the same instance.

So yes, you will have:

@stephenking.bsky.social

and

@stephenking.bsky.otherinstance

Unless Bluesky remains a single server, in which case it's not at all decentralized.

Re: Trying to use Bluesky without getting burned again

#187

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Have you used Bluesky? I’ve been on it since it was invite only and I don’t see any politics on my feed. It’s basically just posts from friends, friends of friends, and artists for me. Bluesky seems the least pushy with rage bait content of all the social media’s.

curiosity-joined a month ago, 90% of discover feed is politics

I have no idea how their Discover "algorithm" works. At this point I think it's using posts I clicked on to block the author of as ones it thinks I'm interested in (it definitely is using that for suggested accounts to follow). I tried using the feedback feature on what posts I want to see more/less of but there's been no obvious improvement.

Re: Trying to use Bluesky without getting burned again

#188
post #120

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"every user is attached to a server and the server operator holds all the power, while the user holds none" So run your own server.

How many people are running their own mail outside of large orgs or privacy/security niche? How many of those have had trouble sending mail to eg gmail?

> How many of those have had trouble sending mail to eg gmail?

The whole appeal of email-style decentralization is that even in those cases, Google can only block you from GMail - not email as a whole, which would be far more deleterious, and is the ever-present threat in non-decentralized platforms.

Re: Trying to use Bluesky without getting burned again

#189
post #178

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> Bluesky, Mastodon, and what's left of Twitter/X are all pretty much dead in my experience. Define "alive" and "dead". As a Mastodon user, it certainly is very much alive to me. I follow a lot of well known people, and that number isn't dropping. This reminds of almost every Emacs thread here. People claiming it's dead/dying because of VSCode, whereas if you're active in the Emacs community, all you can see is growt…

I don't care about well known people. I could perhaps rebuild networks but I really haven't and I like many others I've thrown my arms up in the air and said whatever.

I understand what you're saying, but you're not addressing the concern on what is alive or dead. Just because it sucks for you doesn't mean it sucks for everyone. Even if it sucks for 90% of folks, 10% of the Internet population is probably 10-100x what's needed for a network to survive and thrive.

Not everyone has the same goals as you.

Re: Trying to use Bluesky without getting burned again

#190
post #177

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But then you need to research the severs, shop around, and a bunch of other shit people don’t have time for. A bad user experience is just that: bad.

I mean sure, but it's entirely an optional communal space? Like...who cares? The only reason there was even an opinion about Twitter was mainstream news started reporting "what was on Twitter" and it's still centralized in that way - it "felt" non-optional.

Some people enjoy "socializing in the large". For one, I already have a robust personal friend group grounded in traditional social spaces (like my local physical community, former coworkers, friends from my college days, etc) that I don't need to find a communal space online to engage in "socializing in the small". There's nothing wrong with "socializing in the small" of course but for me that's just a group chat.
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