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Re: Jimmy Carter has died

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Post by wombatpm »

jmclnx wrote: post #20

Looking back, to me he was a much better president then people believed in the 80s. I believe if he got re-elected in 1980, the US would be in a much better place. One thing, it could be argued real work on Climate Change would have begun in 1981 as opposed to where we are now, which is just watching the average probably blowing past 3C in around 70 years from now. For his loss in 1980, I still blame Kennedy. RIP, he…

He had Kennedy trying to steal the convention and Jon Anderson running as an independent. But the hostages sunk his reelection.

To paraphrase Cicero: were it not for the fact he had been president, Carter was the kind of man that everyone would say he would make an excellent president.

RIP Mr Carter

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Post by llm_trw »

xattt wrote: post #176
jmclnx wrote: post #20

Looking back, to me he was a much better president then people believed in the 80s. I believe if he got re-elected in 1980, the US would be in a much better place. One thing, it could be argued real work on Climate Change would have begun in 1981 as opposed to where we are now, which is just watching the average probably blowing past 3C in around 70 years from now. For his loss in 1980, I still blame Kennedy. RIP, he…

> the US would be in a much better place This would have been the case with Gore (2000) and Clinton (2016) too.

Gore was a bigger warmonger than Bush in the 2000 election. I don't see how we would have had a better outcome with him in power.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P6nW2Uow-zk&pp=ygUeQnVzaCBub...

In case you don't believe that.

Re: Jimmy Carter has died

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Post by wbl »

Terr_ wrote: post #187
bb88 wrote: post #181

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Three Mile Island and then Chernobyl kinda killed that dream. Both had bad actors trying to cover up the leak, and caused the nuclear scare to go even worse. France also has majority ownership of the nuclear plants, something that would never fly in the US (because Socialism!). Even when I was an intern at a power company, the leaders there saw the nuclear power plant the company owned as an "albatross around their n…

Over in Washington, the Hanford nuclear site is a big demonstration that we haven't really solved the holistic problems of nuclear waste. (Technical, financial, legal, political.) Even just trying to ship it elsewhere for processing gets blocked by other states and cities.

The Hanford site could be solved with a bunch of cement but we promised to restore. Now of course we don't dump waste the same way.

Re: Jimmy Carter has died

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Post by emchammer »

WalterBright wrote: post #158
bdndndndbve wrote: post #125

Earlier quoted context omitted.

FDR doesn't make the cut?

FDR stripped 110,000 Americans of their property and herded them into concentration camps.

One of these persons came to speak to my class when I was in elementary school. She was an elderly woman by then. She told us about her daily life in one of these concentration camps. I don't remember much. She definitely told us about the wooden buildings, and only being allowed to bring in what possessions they could carry in a suitcase. I think she also said that they recited the Pledge of Allegiance.

Re: Jimmy Carter has died

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Post by tzs »

wahisurf wrote: post #115
mitemte wrote: post #111

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Look at U.S. factories now vs the 1980s - way fewer workers but making more stuff. Yeah, companies moved jobs overseas, but they also went big on automation to boost efficiency. That's a huge reason factory jobs disappeared. As for COVID origins, let's not perpetuate unproven theories.

Nothing unproven about covid coming out of wuhan lab House panel concludes that COVID-19 pandemic came from a lab leak https://www.science.org/content/article/house-panel-conclude... Two-thirds of Americans believe that the COVID-19 virus originated from a lab in China https://today.yougov.com/politics/articles/45389-americans-b... also, Harvard Business Review agreed that "some U.S. regions lost manufacturing jobs a…

That House panel report is a joke. They massively cherry pick evidence to praise everything Trump did and condemn everything Biden did.

For example, they praise Trump's travel restrictions for saving lives. To support this they cite a single study, which didn't even study COVID. It was a study that used computer models of the spread of other diseases to see if travel restrictions are useful. That's an interesting and useful type of study, but it isn't anywhere near conclusive.

Compare to masks, which they conclude are worthless. They acknowledge that the CDC provided them a list of over a dozen studies that were specifically of mask use in regard to COVID, but they completely dismiss all of them because they were observational studies, not randomized controlled trials.

Here's an article that gives more details on the deficiencies of that report, including the deficiencies in its claims about COVID origins [1].

[1] https://arstechnica.com/science/2024/12/congressional-republ...

Re: Jimmy Carter has died

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Post by consumer451 »

jmclnx wrote: post #20

Looking back, to me he was a much better president then people believed in the 80s. I believe if he got re-elected in 1980, the US would be in a much better place. One thing, it could be argued real work on Climate Change would have begun in 1981 as opposed to where we are now, which is just watching the average probably blowing past 3C in around 70 years from now. For his loss in 1980, I still blame Kennedy. RIP, he…

Blaming Kennedy is a take I hadn't heard before. I always gave the folks behind Reagan a lot of credit, as it is a historical fact that they conspired with a foreign power to hold the American hostages until after the election.

> A Four-Decade Secret: One Man’s Story of Sabotaging Carter’s Re-election

> A prominent Texas politician said he unwittingly took part in a 1980 tour of the Middle East with a clandestine agenda.

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/03/18/us/politics/jimmy-carter-...

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Post by lisper »

llm_trw wrote: post #188
zeroonetwothree wrote: post #179

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Ironically he did more deregulation than Reagan yet somehow we don’t remember it that way. For his electoral loss it’s just that Carter was never interested in the political manoeuvring. He was never going to have a good chance.

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With good reason.

Re: Jimmy Carter has died

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Post by [deleted] »

macrocosmos wrote: post #76

I wasn’t alive for Carter’s presidency, so can someone explain how his handling of the hostages in Iran was positive at all for the United States? To me as an American even this many years later and as a young person who didn’t see it, ending your presidency while another nation holds your citizens seems extremely embarrassing. And all I see is extreme praise of the man. I’d honestly like to see some discussion here.

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Re: Jimmy Carter has died

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Post by zeroonetwothree »

insane_dreamer wrote: post #49

Didn't do everything right as president, but a good man who mostly tried to do the right thing for Americans. Particularly exemplary since leaving the presidency. The average U.S. person would be much better off today if he had won in 1980 instead of it being the beginning of deregulation and Reaganomics.

More deregulation passed under Carter than Reagan.
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