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Re: Jimmy Carter has died

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Post by warner25 »

jfengel wrote: post #79
christianqchung wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

After Ted Kennedy killed a woman[1], he never should've tried to run for president. And I say that as a Cape Cod native. When he finally died in 2009 he was literally replaced in the Senate by a Republican, throwing the Democrats into chaos. [1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chappaquiddick_incident

That replacement didn't last long. The Democrats had an absolutely historic filibuster-proof majority. It's a bit odd that blue Massachusetts would choose a Republican, even a relatively moderate one, to replace Kennedy, but for the Senate as a whole it was something of a reversion to the mean. He did not win re-election, and was replaced by Elizabeth Warren. It did derail the Democratic agenda, but mostly because Re…

> It's a bit odd that blue Massachusetts would choose a Republican, even a relatively moderate one, to replace Kennedy

It feels that way, but let's remember that Republicans have held the governorship in Massachusetts for most of the past 30+ years. That's an interesting broader phenomenon, though. A number of other states have turned reliably blue in congressional and presidential elections while voting in Republican governors. New Hampshire is like that, and I was recently surprised to learn that Vermont is too.

Re: Jimmy Carter has died

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Post by Spagbol »

I have not done significant research, but the more I have read about Jimmy Carter the more I am convinced he is very underrated, and the more I read about Reagan the more I beleive he was a bad choice for the average U.S. citizen long-term (e.g. destroying the U.S. lead on climate tech, and creating policies that ultimately eroded the wealth of the middle class) Reagan was certainly charming, but I beleive he didn't have the integrity of Carter. While Reagan let dictators like Pinochet commit heinous human rights abuses so long as they were anti-communist, Carter put actual pressure on the regime and sought answers. I consider him a long-term thinking leader rather than your average short-term thinking politician. I think that history will end up being much kinder to Carter in hindsight.

Re: Jimmy Carter has died

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Post by chiph »

DonHopkins wrote: post #62
christianqchung wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

After Ted Kennedy killed a woman[1], he never should've tried to run for president. And I say that as a Cape Cod native. When he finally died in 2009 he was literally replaced in the Senate by a Republican, throwing the Democrats into chaos. [1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chappaquiddick_incident

As the bumper sticker went: "More people died at Chappaquiddick than at Three Mile Island." On the "October Surprise" topic that other posters have asked for more information about -- it's a fascinating story that ultimately leads to the Iran-Contra scandal: Here's a transcript of a 1987 broadcast by The Other American's Radio about the October Surprise: https://www.donhopkins.com/home/catalog/text/october-suprise...…

One of the Lockheed EC-130E Hercules from Operation Eagle Claw[0] (callsign Republic 5) is on display at the Sullenberger[1] Aviation Museum in Charlotte NC. Totally worth taking a look if you have a 4+ hour layover there.

A former neighbor's dad was one of the hostages, and he has a photo from the reception that Reagan hosted at the White House for them.

[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Eagle_Claw

[1] Yes, that Sullenberger. The Airbus A320 from the Hudson is on display there. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sullenberger_Aviation_Museum

Re: Jimmy Carter has died

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Post by [deleted] »

linguae wrote: post #68
hylaride wrote: post #50

One could argue he set the stage for the 1980s economic boom by making short term sacrifices that cost him re-election. It was his administration that did market-oriented deregulation around airlines and trucking industries (meaning you didn't need to have a licence to ship goods across state lines and go through monopoly trucking companies to get your goods to market) as well as appointed Paul Volcker as Fed chair w…

For these reasons, Jimmy Carter is my third-favorite president of the 20th century, behind my favorite, Calvin Coolidge, and my second-favorite, Dwight Eisenhower. I am a very big fan of Paul Volcker and I’m glad Jimmy Carter nominated him as chair of the Fed. I wish Reagan kept Volcker as chair during Reagan’s second term.

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Re: Jimmy Carter has died

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Post by wahisurf »

shutupmagat wrote: post #126
wahisurf wrote: post #115

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Nothing unproven about covid coming out of wuhan lab House panel concludes that COVID-19 pandemic came from a lab leak https://www.science.org/content/article/house-panel-conclude... Two-thirds of Americans believe that the COVID-19 virus originated from a lab in China https://today.yougov.com/politics/articles/45389-americans-b... also, Harvard Business Review agreed that "some U.S. regions lost manufacturing jobs a…

FTA: "Two-year probe led by Republicans faults agencies for pandemic response, as Democrats on panel challenge final report’s findings on SARS-CoV-2’s origin" Yeah, the lying-ass republicans repeating the same bullshit Russian-made talking points, meanwhile the Democrats who aren't on the dole disagree. What gullible Americans "believe" on some random poll site doesn't matter. Belief in something doesn't make it true…

Since you are so blinded by party lines, here's an article in NY times from Dr. Alina Chan, a molecular biologist from MIT

Why the Pandemic Probably Started in a Lab, in 5 Key Points https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2024/06/03/opinion/covid...

"Given what we now know, investigators should follow their strongest leads and subpoena all exchanges between the Wuhan scientists and their international partners, including unpublished research proposals, manuscripts, data and commercial orders. In particular, exchanges from 2018 and 2019"

Re: Jimmy Carter has died

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Post by xyst »

seanmcdirmid wrote: post #56
hylaride wrote: post #50

One could argue he set the stage for the 1980s economic boom by making short term sacrifices that cost him re-election. It was his administration that did market-oriented deregulation around airlines and trucking industries (meaning you didn't need to have a licence to ship goods across state lines and go through monopoly trucking companies to get your goods to market) as well as appointed Paul Volcker as Fed chair w…

I’m really worried that we just elected a president who clearly fixates on short term gains rather than long term planning. Biden did not mess that up, even if he is a one term president like Carter. It is nice to have adults in control, even if that is increasingly politically untenable.

> short term gains

For who exactly? The $1.5T tax cut (deficit spend) for billionaires was advertised as a “bill for the middle class” [1] under the assumption of idiotic “trickle down economics. Trump administration at the time even promised a “$4,000 raise” to the middle class. [2]

In reality, in the short term, billionaires able to afford another stupid yacht or pad some offshore accounts. Corporations buying back their stock. In the long term, deficit spending, increasing national debt, jobs lost, cuts of public programs, and further decimation of middle class.

[1] https://www.npr.org/2017/12/20/572157392/gop-poised-for-tax-...

[2] https://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2018/04/10/donald-tru...

Re: Jimmy Carter has died

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Post by oh_my_goodness »

ls612 wrote: post #131
hylaride wrote: post #50

One could argue he set the stage for the 1980s economic boom by making short term sacrifices that cost him re-election. It was his administration that did market-oriented deregulation around airlines and trucking industries (meaning you didn't need to have a licence to ship goods across state lines and go through monopoly trucking companies to get your goods to market) as well as appointed Paul Volcker as Fed chair w…

Reagan’s first 2 and a half years also were setting the stage for the growth of the 80s and 90s by taming inflation with very high interest rates and a painful recession. Reagan would have lost by a lot if his gamble hadn’t paid off but instead by 1984 strong growth had begun and he won in a landslide.

Carter appointee Paul Volcker controlled interest rates at the Federal Reserve from 1979 until 1987.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Volcker

Re: Jimmy Carter has died

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Post by rat87 »

rayiner wrote: post #99
seanmcdirmid wrote: post #56

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I’m really worried that we just elected a president who clearly fixates on short term gains rather than long term planning. Biden did not mess that up, even if he is a one term president like Carter. It is nice to have adults in control, even if that is increasingly politically untenable.

Restricting immigration is a long term investment in America’s future. The golden age Americans remember from the mid 20th century is partly the result of the 1924 immigration act, which cut the foreign born population from almost 15% to under 5% by the 1960s. As relevant here Carter proposed to make it unlawful to hire illegal immigrants and to impose penalties on companies that did so: https://library.cqpress.com/c…

America is a nation of immigrants. Xenophobic politics is stupid and makes us weaker.

Re: Jimmy Carter has died

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Post by guiambros »

wahisurf wrote: post #115
mitemte wrote: post #111

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Look at U.S. factories now vs the 1980s - way fewer workers but making more stuff. Yeah, companies moved jobs overseas, but they also went big on automation to boost efficiency. That's a huge reason factory jobs disappeared. As for COVID origins, let's not perpetuate unproven theories.

Nothing unproven about covid coming out of wuhan lab House panel concludes that COVID-19 pandemic came from a lab leak https://www.science.org/content/article/house-panel-conclude... Two-thirds of Americans believe that the COVID-19 virus originated from a lab in China https://today.yougov.com/politics/articles/45389-americans-b... also, Harvard Business Review agreed that "some U.S. regions lost manufacturing jobs a…

From the article you linked:

> The committee’s 520-page report, released on 2 December, offers no new direct evidence of a lab leak, but summarizes a circumstantial case, including that the Wuhan Institute of Virology (WIV) used NIAID money to conduct “gain-of-function” studies that modified distantly related coronaviruses.

> Democrats on the panel released their own report challenging many of their colleagues’ conclusions about COVID-19 origins. They conclude, for example, that the viruses studied at WIV with EcoHealth funding were too distantly related to SARS-CoV-2 to cause the pandemic.

In other words, it's the same partisan politics we've seen since 2020, with very little science sprinkled on top.

I believe we grossly fumbled investigating the origin of the virus, but unfortunately this report does little to present new, conclusive evidence.

Re: Jimmy Carter has died

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Post by yyyk »

wahisurf wrote: post #81

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I don't believe blaming 1970s-1980s Presidents for this is reasonable. China was economically tiny, and the alliance was conductive for the Cold War. The error was not pivoting later and going for the 'economic engagement will lead to democracy' 'theory'.
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