This is a heavily paywalled article. Dear OP, how do you expect us to read it? (no, archive.is doesn't have it un-paywalled.)
https://s.h4x.club/Z4uE5g1O
This only shows the headline and the lead picture for me, not the main text.
How China turns members of its diaspora into spies
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I'm shocked this is a thread on HN. Until recently these threads were flagged and removed from HN, and participants to conversations stating these things were warned of possible future bans. It looks like the conversation has changed quite dramatically. The geopolitical tone has trickled down to tech and VC. Firms like a16z are going all in on "American dynamism", which is basically about competition with China. It's…
I know some chinese people very well and even they have been warning about spies on campus for years. I don’t buy the xenophobia argument.
Regardless of who you know, don't you think these claims are partly driven by, and drive, xenophobia - the same xenophobia and nationalism being applied to many things?
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click the download button it will download the full pdf
It doesn’t for me, instead it shows a sign-up page for Zight.
Looks like they changed things, time to switch off Zight I guess.
Does this work? https://p97.tr4.n0.cdn.zight.com/items/Z4uE5g1O/9b63a223-7f9...
Thanks for letting me know!
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It doesn’t for me, instead it shows a sign-up page for Zight.
Looks like they changed things, time to switch off Zight I guess. Does this work? https://p97.tr4.n0.cdn.zight.com/items/Z4uE5g1O/9b63a223-7f9... Thanks for letting me know!
That does work, thanks.
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Not the OP but I found this interesting so went digging [1]. >Amongst other things, the contract also commits the recipient to “regularly submit” a formal “Situation Report” (called the Study/Research/Training Situation Report for Personnel Studying Abroad 出国留学人员学习/研修情况报告) to the relevant Chinese embassy or consulate, and “participate in annual PhD student reviews” there. [1] https://ukctransparency.org/wp-content/up…
You can find the template of this report online by just Googling "出国留学人员学习/研修情况报告", it has English translation and appears to have a "Professor's Evaluation" section to be filled and signed by the foreign advisor. There might be something else but this looks like a progress evaluation form and is hardly concerning.
> There might be something else but this looks like a progress evaluation form and is hardly concerning.
There is indeed something else
> An online announcement from January 2019 by the Chinese consulate in Belfast even suggests recipients should report important papers published, patents obtained, and inventions made by those they work with at British universities.
I was unable to load the url for this, but it's not looking good. A certain line is crossed when you have to start reporting on ip that isn't yours.
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#188As a non-Chinese and a non-American, I care less about the usual geopolitical games, including spying, and more about how the Chinese government treats its own citizens. No freedom of speech or conscience, no political freedoms: just work and be an obedient small truckle in the mechanism of the Leviathan. Plus the return of the Cult of Personality, which once even the CCP tried to abandon, but ultimately failed. Thes…
> I don't buy the explanation that being unfree is somehow intrinsic to East Asian cultures.
You have the obvious examples of Taiwan and (formerly) Hong Kong - actual Chinese political entities, free and democratic and strongly embraced by the people there, and much more prosperous than Communist-controlled China. Also, Japan, South Korea, ...
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In the past 40 years how many countries has the US invaded and how many has China?
The americans had their own justifications for those actions that were supporter by a coalition of nations, and none of that was to conquer territory. China on the other hand is flatly trying to conquer territory and limit the freedoms of the people who live there afterwards. They are, in fact, the bad guys here.
>conquer territory
It's about keeping western capital interests in line, stopping developing nations from nationalizing key resources etc. Bolivia is a good example of a country that has persisted against it.
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#190As a non-Chinese and a non-American, I care less about the usual geopolitical games, including spying, and more about how the Chinese government treats its own citizens. No freedom of speech or conscience, no political freedoms: just work and be an obedient small truckle in the mechanism of the Leviathan. Plus the return of the Cult of Personality, which once even the CCP tried to abandon, but ultimately failed. Thes…
While I don't like the lack of freedoms in China, the Chinese government has done an amazing job lifting it's people out of poverty. I am not Chinese but I think most people around the world would gladly take that over being poor (most western people do not know how bad and undignified life in poverty can be)
The same government has the Great Leap Forward and the Cultural Revolution on its conscience, two initiatives that caused a lot of poverty and destruction for its citizens.
This is the inherent risk of all authoritarian regimes: if the top boss goes crazy and demands, say, that you all start to kill sparrows, there is no way to stop him or remove him from power. No division of powers.
The very same mechanism caused the Russo-Ukrainian war.