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This policy needs a refresh - there are many issues with the H1B program today - a good article if you're interested: https://www.bloomberg.com/graphics/2024-staffing-firms-game-... We should be wary billionaires are controlling these policies. Bernie Sanders did this interview a decade ago and he was right, unchecked immigration is not in the economic interest of the working class. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vf…
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The point is that major contributions to American tech supremacy come from foreigners. Scrapping the H1B program would jeopardize us tech leadership. Those other 64k people contribute as well. If you want to argue the other side (I don’t know why you would) feel free.
how would you know whether or not american tech supremacy would not be the same without foreigners? of course you wouldn’t so this is silly line of argument :) the main reason for american tech supremacy is american military budget. and also that is next 876 reasons. H1B program won’t crack top-1000
We don't know, but we can't afford losing the supremacy.
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The customer (companies) don’t think the price for US employees is a good deal and prefer to find a cheaper option that can’t quit as easily. In market terms, H1B workers are simply a better product - slightly cheaper (because companies can game the system) and more predictable (because they can’t show the employer the middle finger).
This is correct and yet kinda misses the point. The market exists specifically because of one of the most fundamental and basic of government functions: who is allowed to enter the country and work. Those market economics revolves around whatever the government decides to do: firstly when it created the H1B system and now when all the politicians are arguing over how to handle the abuse of the program. I’d call it so…
It's been like that for quite some time. A lot of political power coming from economic power is a sure way for a democracy to transition into a kleptocracy.
It's important to note that these individuals are not directly competing with or displacing U.S. citizens from their jobs. They are primarily employed by the consulting firms themselves. The challenges in securing employment stem from the slowdown in the rapid expansion of the tech industry. As a hiring manager, when a job posting is made with a specified salary range, applicants are expected to accept that range. Given two equally qualified candidates, selecting a citizen is often the more cost-effective and less complicated choice.
New graduates often face difficulties because they largely don't possess the specific qualifications that many tech companies seek. These companies typically require individuals with practical experience. This can be gained through prior work experience (which is often unattainable for new graduates) or by demonstrating a genuine interest in technology through personal projects or contributions. Course project doesn't count.
That is the hard truth. Calling for government's protection is not the way to go.
This policy needs a refresh - there are many issues with the H1B program today - a good article if you're interested: https://www.bloomberg.com/graphics/2024-staffing-firms-game-... We should be wary billionaires are controlling these policies. Bernie Sanders did this interview a decade ago and he was right, unchecked immigration is not in the economic interest of the working class. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vf…
If only there was a party for Bernie and his supporters.
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how would you know whether or not american tech supremacy would not be the same without foreigners? of course you wouldn’t so this is silly line of argument :) the main reason for american tech supremacy is american military budget. and also that is next 876 reasons. H1B program won’t crack top-1000
> how would you know whether or not american tech supremacy would not be the same without foreigners? We don't know, but we can't afford losing the supremacy.
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there is very little legit use of H1B, the tech companies are abusing it by not hiring US employees in lieu of getting underpaid H1B’s who have no option to leave for a better opportunity or higher pay (or to unionize) - modern day white collar “slavery”
H1Bs I've seen were treated worse than American workers or seemed to work at a roughly 60% of American jobs. No American would take a job posted for a 40% paycut, regardless of the title. The system is being gamed.
On one side we want to disagree with Trump, on the other we support remote work, though one for HN
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Here are the folks who contributed to the "Attention is all you need" paper [1] which changed the world as we know it, and the countries they came from. I rest my case. Ashish Vaswani: India Noam Shazeer: USA Niki Parmar: India Jakob Uszkoreit: Germany Llion Jones: USA Aidan Gomez: British Canadian Lukasz Kaiser: Poland Illia Polosukhin: Ukraine [1] https://arxiv.org/abs/1706.03762
I'm dumbfounded that some people think high-skilled immigration is negative sum. It is so glaringly positive sum. Another country invested 20 years to train a 130 IQ person from birth to tertiary educated. And then the US gets to skim the top 0.1% off that expensive process without paying a dime. These immigrants then generate consumption, scientific discoveries and found companies in their prime working years, which…
The reality is that the H1B program is being used not to bring in individuals with 130+ IQ, but essentially anyone with a bachelor's degree, which can be easily obtained from diploma mills. In some third-world countries, you can even buy your degree outright.
For the top 0.1%, there are O1 visas, as well as EB1 and EB2-NIW visas — the latter two don't even require an employer and can be self-sponsored. Plus, they grant you a green card, unlike the H1B, which ties you to an employer.
However, to qualify for these visas, you need to demonstrate that you're genuinely valuable to the U.S. They are designed for top-tier entrepreneurs, engineers, scientists, and artists with a verifiable track record. These visas can also be gamed, but it's much harder than with the H1B program.
There is legit use of H-1B, which helps make America the leader in tech. Top tech companies like Google, Microsoft, Apple and Amazon would not be top tech companies without this immigration. Then there are abusers... for example back in 2016 Disney hired a bunch of H-1B workers and immediately laid off American workers, and then required those American workers to train their H-1B replacements. The abuse must be stopp…