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How China turns members of its diaspora into spies

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Re: How China turns members of its diaspora into spies

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throwaway104710 wrote: post #97
crop_rotation wrote: post #83

Earlier quoted context omitted.

India is nowhere near being a superpower that could challenge the US so I think the threat is not the same. Plus Indian society is a bit more open and free than Chinese so lots of people told to spy can easily come out.

The superpower aspect is true. Otherwise, India is very friendly with Russia. But we (i.e. big capital) want their H1B labor and outsourcing, so the narrative isn't there yet and many tech companies are headed by Indian CEOs. I'm exaggerating the above, but until recently China wasn't deemed to be a problem either, so the narrative does seem to play a role.

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Re: How China turns members of its diaspora into spies

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Post by crop_rotation »

throwaway104710 wrote: post #97
crop_rotation wrote: post #83

Earlier quoted context omitted.

India is nowhere near being a superpower that could challenge the US so I think the threat is not the same. Plus Indian society is a bit more open and free than Chinese so lots of people told to spy can easily come out.

The superpower aspect is true. Otherwise, India is very friendly with Russia. But we (i.e. big capital) want their H1B labor and outsourcing, so the narrative isn't there yet and many tech companies are headed by Indian CEOs. I'm exaggerating the above, but until recently China wasn't deemed to be a problem either, so the narrative does seem to play a role.

India is friendly with Russia yes but power wise India is just a non entity. It has nothing to make US feel threatened.

Re: How China turns members of its diaspora into spies

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Post by breadwinner »

throwaway104710 wrote: post #97
crop_rotation wrote: post #83

Earlier quoted context omitted.

India is nowhere near being a superpower that could challenge the US so I think the threat is not the same. Plus Indian society is a bit more open and free than Chinese so lots of people told to spy can easily come out.

The superpower aspect is true. Otherwise, India is very friendly with Russia. But we (i.e. big capital) want their H1B labor and outsourcing, so the narrative isn't there yet and many tech companies are headed by Indian CEOs. I'm exaggerating the above, but until recently China wasn't deemed to be a problem either, so the narrative does seem to play a role.

> until recently China wasn't deemed to be a problem either

What changed is Xi Jinping became president. Until then China was considered a good citizen of the world. Xi Jinping started attacking neighbors, claimed ownership of south china sea, and so on, and this aggressive behavior damaged China's reputation.

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Post by monadINtop »

gcr wrote: post #16

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Yeah I also share this experience, pretty much every Chinese person I know will not hesitate to stress how much discrimination has affected everything about their lives abroad, especially education and careers.

Its worth noting how little attention comparable "activities" from "good" countries like Israel or Saudi Arabia get, even when they're turning journalists into barbecue in foreign embassies, illegally installing spyware, backdoors, or even booby-traps on commercial products, or sending money to violent street mobs and mass media campaigns alike to oppose domestic civil protest against their own war crimes against civilians.

Of course I probably don't need to mention when western nations do the same or worse to the "bad" guys.

Re: How China turns members of its diaspora into spies

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Post by dttze »

brookst wrote: post #90
whimsicalism wrote: post #70

Earlier quoted context omitted.

yes the US has better rule of law and is an actual democracy, for sure. but China does not seem to be so bad by the standards that we hold our own allies to, so to me it is unclear why we have become locked into this neo cold war so quickly. some of our allies make china look like a saint in comparison

Which of our allies make China look like a saint?

Israel is committing a genocide in Gaza, has terror bombed Lebanon, and is stealing land in Syria for Greater Israel.

Re: How China turns members of its diaspora into spies

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Post by mrtksn »

thinkingemote wrote: post #79

In the UK Chinese funded international masters/phd students have to send back to China reports about their fellow students as a condition of their funding. There's no mandatory spying expected if the position is funded privately or by the host institution. I expect that the spying is just limited to their fellow state funded students although I have heard of significant tension between mainland and Hong Kong students…

UK itself is a particularly interesting case,

In Turkey when they have a new shiny politician, there's a running joke to check if they went to University of Exeter. For some reason, all the lightly islamist politicians of Turkey have been to Exeter at some point in their life.

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Post by anonfordays »

People's Liberation Army at the 1989 Tiananmen Square protests and massacre:

六四清場，國外有稱「六四屠殺」，也被中国政府称为是平息反革命暴乱，即在1989年6月3日晚至6月4日早晨，以中国共产党领导人邓小平为首的中央军事委员会命令中国人民解放军戒严部队於中国首都北京市對六四事件示威者進行武力清場的事件。

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