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How China turns members of its diaspora into spies

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Re: How China turns members of its diaspora into spies

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Post by jrhatk »

krapp wrote: post #44
jtkasgy wrote: post #10

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Do people like you see Nancy Pelosi standing at the foot of their bed like the Hat Man when they try to sleep or something?

Reverse Trump Derangement Syndrome? Why would that apply here? Pelosi's visit did kick off the whole process. The information is based on the U.S. liberal press and not Breitbart.

Biden at the time said she went on her own. Given everything that has happened since, it is not unreasonable to assume that she had more establishment support.

If you call that a "conspiracy theory": No it is just a theory. Citizens and journalists never get full information and are therefore forced to speculate. If they didn't do that, democracies would collapse.

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Post by casenmgreen »

neffy wrote: post #30
casenmgreen wrote: post #20

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There are two as it happens - the other one is Eastern Russia - ethnically asian, although not Han. Notice how Putin is always present for the pacific exercises, even when one might think he had better ways to spend his time on the western front.

It is logistically impossible for China to invade Russia.

Additionally, Russia is important to China, in that the war with Ukraine supports Chinese goals.

Also note the Chinese build-up is of capabilities for a cross-channel invasion of a nearby coastline.

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Post by AnonymousPlanet »

popcalc wrote: post #31
casenmgreen wrote: post #20

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In the past 40 years how many countries has the US invaded and how many has China?

How many countries were invaded to be made part of the invading country? That is the most crucial aspect of invasion: the ultimate goal of it.

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Post by tgv »

SpicyLemonZest wrote: post #49
memonkey wrote: post #28

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Just curious, do you apply this same logic to US government and history? What kind of evils get prescribed to the so called democratic land of the free?

I don't apply the same logic to any country's history. It wouldn't make sense to hold modern China accountable for the Qing, or the civil war, or the Cultural Revolution. Like the original commenter, my biggest concern by far with the Chinese government is their repeated public statements that they plan to violently conquer a neighboring country and integrate it into their own. The US has undertaken a lot of military…

The CCP can certainly be held accountable for the Cultural Revolution and the Great Leap Forward. They're truly Mao's heirs, and whereas some previous leaders left Mao's path, Xi is firmly back on track.

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Post by eximius »

popcalc wrote: post #31
casenmgreen wrote: post #20

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In the past 40 years how many countries has the US invaded and how many has China?

The US government is a meandering blob of racoons in a trenchcoat. Occasionally a hand will _do_ evil but even odds whether they realize it or meant it. Partially depends on which particular raccoon is where. Some of the racoons are evil.

China is actively directed by a small group of well coordinated, evil raccoons. See, you know, the constant genocide.

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Post by graemep »

popcalc wrote: post #31
casenmgreen wrote: post #20

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In the past 40 years how many countries has the US invaded and how many has China?

There is a lot wrong with the US, and I (not American BTW) will criticise it quite freely and frequently BUT comparing the US to China is just ridiculous.

What the US does can be criticised by its citizens, and protested. People can be punished. Wrongdoing can be exposed. Plenty of people in the US criticise the invasion of Iraq. I doubt many Chinese will find it safe to criticise the occupation of Tibet.

Democracies can and do bad stuff, but internal opposition and accountability limit it, and often but an end to it.

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Post by WarOnPrivacy »

mistrial9 wrote: post #25
throw10920 wrote: post #7

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> Soon enough anything that is even remotely a security threat [...] will require clearance and in office work. I think this is one of those things that sucks but may be necessary. You need to trust the knowledge workers that make up your economy to not send your research to a hostile nation so they can take advantage of your R&D investments. And you need to know that your critical infrastructure (beyond Internet and…

> You need to trust the knowledge workers unfortunately among many circles, it is the opposite. More and more "zero trust" .. more logging and audit, more spot checks, more re-logins .. It is a culture clash, always-on networking has made it much worse, since security professionals have endless lists of problems they see.

> More and more "zero trust" .. more logging and audit, more spot checks, more re-logins

Shades of HIPAA. It tries to tackle security and privacy of patient data but it winds up applying large corp requirements (inappropriately) to small practices. There seems to be little distinction of who the regs are being applied to.

One upshot is that small practices have to dedicate resources to understand/audit/report/comply with requirements that don't apply to them.

ex: Extensive audits of how a practice secures local patient data that doesn't exist - because it fully resides on remote provider platforms.

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Post by whimsicalism »

graemep wrote: post #68
popcalc wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In the past 40 years how many countries has the US invaded and how many has China?

There is a lot wrong with the US, and I (not American BTW) will criticise it quite freely and frequently BUT comparing the US to China is just ridiculous. What the US does can be criticised by its citizens, and protested. People can be punished. Wrongdoing can be exposed. Plenty of people in the US criticise the invasion of Iraq. I doubt many Chinese will find it safe to criticise the occupation of Tibet. Democracies…

yes the US has better rule of law and is an actual democracy, for sure. but China does not seem to be so bad by the standards that we hold our own allies to, so to me it is unclear why we have become locked into this neo cold war so quickly. some of our allies make china look like a saint in comparison
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