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We've not been trained for this: life after the Newag DRM disclosure [video]

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Re: We've not been trained for this: life after the Newag DRM disclosure [video]

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Post by klausa »

phantom_wizard wrote: post #19
progbits wrote: post #4

There must be strong punishment for frivolous lawsuits. This company is entirely in the wrong and the execs should be in prison, but instead they are wasting time and money with the copyright and other bullshit, trying to demotivate and distract the researchers.

This "company" is strongly connected with previous government and their prime minister Mateusz Morawiecki (company owner is his close colleague), they work more like organized crime than legal entity copying the Russians. Sometimes, but not often, they even make some assassinations and I'm afraid it may be so in this case. There was a female deputy Magdalena Biejat, now a president candidate, who was trying to make s…

I’m polish and I legitimately do not know what are you talking about.

Mind expanding a bit about your perceived dramatis personae here?

Re: We've not been trained for this: life after the Newag DRM disclosure [video]

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Post by jfengel »

miki123211 wrote: post #8
progbits wrote: post #4

There must be strong punishment for frivolous lawsuits. This company is entirely in the wrong and the execs should be in prison, but instead they are wasting time and money with the copyright and other bullshit, trying to demotivate and distract the researchers.

Polish person here, as far as I understand, our SLAPP protections are basically nonexistent, which is why this is allowed to happen. In the US, a lawsuit like this would never fly.

The bar to proving SLAPP is quite high in the US. The protections do exist but they're so obscure and difficult that nobody feels safe, and invalid suits occur all the time.

Re: We've not been trained for this: life after the Newag DRM disclosure [video]

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Post by gruez »

llm_trw wrote: post #30
Wowfunhappy wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well, but Musk was going to loose anyway. His options were: - Pay $44 billion. - Pay $44 billion and go through Discovery.

Option C). Pay 1 billion to keep the lawsuit going forever.

Can you really keep a lawsuit going "forever"? You'd probably run out of appeal options around 5-10 years in.

Re: We've not been trained for this: life after the Newag DRM disclosure [video]

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Post by CuriouslyC »

visarga wrote: post #7
progbits wrote: post #4

There must be strong punishment for frivolous lawsuits. This company is entirely in the wrong and the execs should be in prison, but instead they are wasting time and money with the copyright and other bullshit, trying to demotivate and distract the researchers.

> they are wasting time and money with the copyright and other bullshit One more reason copyright deserves to die.

Maybe not die, just get reformed and shortened considerably

Re: We've not been trained for this: life after the Newag DRM disclosure [video]

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Post by 93po »

CuriouslyC wrote: post #35
visarga wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> they are wasting time and money with the copyright and other bullshit One more reason copyright deserves to die.

Maybe not die, just get reformed and shortened considerably

I think intellectual property is a really bad concept, but I will acquiesce that short-term protection on some ideas, which can faithfully accounted back to significant investment cost, is a fair compromise. However this would never work well in our current system, and I'd rather there simply be not IP laws at all.

Re: We've not been trained for this: life after the Newag DRM disclosure [video]

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Post by whamlastxmas »

progbits wrote: post #4

There must be strong punishment for frivolous lawsuits. This company is entirely in the wrong and the execs should be in prison, but instead they are wasting time and money with the copyright and other bullshit, trying to demotivate and distract the researchers.

I think there should be professional association punishment for arguments presented in court that done so knowingly in bad faith. The examples given in the mental gymnastics used to claim copyright infringement is a great example. It's blatantly false and not true, and it's presented despite knowing it will be easily countered, because the FUD it provides to the jury makes it appear like a stronger case. It's arguing to prey on the vulnerabilities of human psychology rather than doing so in good faith and trying to represent someone's rights under the law.
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