Newag, the company from the presentation is still getting fat government contracts: https://en.railmarket.com/news/rolling-stock/25459-newag-s-g...
:( Feels like the money is flowing into multiple directions.
We've not been trained for this: life after the Newag DRM disclosure [video]
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#12There must be strong punishment for frivolous lawsuits. This company is entirely in the wrong and the execs should be in prison, but instead they are wasting time and money with the copyright and other bullshit, trying to demotivate and distract the researchers.
Polish person here, as far as I understand, our SLAPP protections are basically nonexistent, which is why this is allowed to happen. In the US, a lawsuit like this would never fly.
Im not familiar with polish law but does the loser pay all like in most other countries in the EU? (And pays more if deemed frivolous) does not solve the money up front problem but might bite them in the ass afterwards.
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#13Earlier quoted context omitted.
Polish person here, as far as I understand, our SLAPP protections are basically nonexistent, which is why this is allowed to happen. In the US, a lawsuit like this would never fly.
Im not familiar with polish law but does the loser pay all like in most other countries in the EU? (And pays more if deemed frivolous) does not solve the money up front problem but might bite them in the ass afterwards.
The loser pays, but the fees are capped in Poland relatively to low amount.
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#14There must be strong punishment for frivolous lawsuits. This company is entirely in the wrong and the execs should be in prison, but instead they are wasting time and money with the copyright and other bullshit, trying to demotivate and distract the researchers.
Polish person here, as far as I understand, our SLAPP protections are basically nonexistent, which is why this is allowed to happen. In the US, a lawsuit like this would never fly.
In the USA there are many lawsuits and they could bankrupt you just by making a painful discovery.
Though Poland needs to modernize it's law.
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#15Newag, the company from the presentation is still getting fat government contracts: https://en.railmarket.com/news/rolling-stock/25459-newag-s-g...
:( Feels like the money is flowing into multiple directions.
I think it's a case where money / influence may indeed be flowing in both directions, but fundamentally the trains are working. Unless they experience the International Compressor Failure Day, or randomly clip GPS coordinates of a "dead zone" and simply refuse to move forward - but that just means some money hadn't flown where some crooked people expected it to flow.
One thing that is unclear to me is who is backing whom. The Left / Together Party backs our guys - no surprise there, all lefties love trains. But they are not such a big party in Poland, they can raise some ruckus in the media but I am not sure they can offer comprehensive legal/political backing in order to score a victory. They certainly would like to, it's a great story that would add them some voters.
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#16This happens in every industry heavily interconnected with politics. An individual revealing fraud or corruption is subject to regular bullying and stalking or to SLAPP when the case has gained publicity. Only now the German and American standards have arrived to Poland, long awaited.
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#17There must be strong punishment for frivolous lawsuits. This company is entirely in the wrong and the execs should be in prison, but instead they are wasting time and money with the copyright and other bullshit, trying to demotivate and distract the researchers.
Polish person here, as far as I understand, our SLAPP protections are basically nonexistent, which is why this is allowed to happen. In the US, a lawsuit like this would never fly.
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#18There must be strong punishment for frivolous lawsuits. This company is entirely in the wrong and the execs should be in prison, but instead they are wasting time and money with the copyright and other bullshit, trying to demotivate and distract the researchers.
Polish person here, as far as I understand, our SLAPP protections are basically nonexistent, which is why this is allowed to happen. In the US, a lawsuit like this would never fly.
The basic difference that makes it slightly less of a deal than it looks like is - unlike in the US - the whole lawsuit costs in Poland are paid by the person that lost the case.
The issue is still having the money when you need them before you win, and the lost time and nerves. Even choosing 2 different courts in opposite sides of Poland is pointing at this tactic by Newag.
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#19There must be strong punishment for frivolous lawsuits. This company is entirely in the wrong and the execs should be in prison, but instead they are wasting time and money with the copyright and other bullshit, trying to demotivate and distract the researchers.
This "company" is strongly connected with previous government and their prime minister Mateusz Morawiecki (company owner is his close colleague), they work more like organized crime than legal entity copying the Russians. Sometimes, but not often, they even make some assassinations and I'm afraid it may be so in this case.
There was a female deputy Magdalena Biejat, now a president candidate, who was trying to make some public inquiry but the deputies from other party prevented that.
It all works because the former ruling party organized around themselves some kind of semi-religious cult consisting of around 1/3 of nation, usually older people that oppose everything they don't understand.
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#20Earlier quoted context omitted.
Im not familiar with polish law but does the loser pay all like in most other countries in the EU? (And pays more if deemed frivolous) does not solve the money up front problem but might bite them in the ass afterwards.
The loser pays, but the fees are capped in Poland relatively to low amount.
It's not a low amount to Polish people - it can approach the territory of entire monthly or yearly wages.