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Trump sides with Musk on support for H-1B visas for foreign tech workers

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Re: Trump sides with Musk on support for H-1B visas for foreign tech workers

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Post by like_any_other »

breadwinner wrote: post #9
bdangubic wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

there is very little legit use of H1B, the tech companies are abusing it by not hiring US employees in lieu of getting underpaid H1B’s who have no option to leave for a better opportunity or higher pay (or to unionize) - modern day white collar “slavery”

Here are the folks who contributed to the "Attention is all you need" paper [1] which changed the world as we know it, and the countries they came from. I rest my case. Ashish Vaswani: India Noam Shazeer: USA Niki Parmar: India Jakob Uszkoreit: Germany Llion Jones: USA Aidan Gomez: British Canadian Lukasz Kaiser: Poland Illia Polosukhin: Ukraine [1] https://arxiv.org/abs/1706.03762

"Some foreigners are smarter than you, therefore you don't get to have a country, just an economic zone." - interesting case, let's see how many go along with it.

Re: Trump sides with Musk on support for H-1B visas for foreign tech workers

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Post by bdangubic »

rbanffy wrote: post #7
bdangubic wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

there is very little legit use of H1B, the tech companies are abusing it by not hiring US employees in lieu of getting underpaid H1B’s who have no option to leave for a better opportunity or higher pay (or to unionize) - modern day white collar “slavery”

The customer (companies) don’t think the price for US employees is a good deal and prefer to find a cheaper option that can’t quit as easily. In market terms, H1B workers are simply a better product - slightly cheaper (because companies can game the system) and more predictable (because they can’t show the employer the middle finger).

^^ what he said ^^

Re: Trump sides with Musk on support for H-1B visas for foreign tech workers

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Post by breadwinner »

like_any_other wrote: post #11
breadwinner wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Here are the folks who contributed to the "Attention is all you need" paper [1] which changed the world as we know it, and the countries they came from. I rest my case. Ashish Vaswani: India Noam Shazeer: USA Niki Parmar: India Jakob Uszkoreit: Germany Llion Jones: USA Aidan Gomez: British Canadian Lukasz Kaiser: Poland Illia Polosukhin: Ukraine [1] https://arxiv.org/abs/1706.03762

"Some foreigners are smarter than you, therefore you don't get to have a country, just an economic zone." - interesting case, let's see how many go along with it.

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Re: Trump sides with Musk on support for H-1B visas for foreign tech workers

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Post by bdangubic »

breadwinner wrote: post #13
like_any_other wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"Some foreigners are smarter than you, therefore you don't get to have a country, just an economic zone." - interesting case, let's see how many go along with it.

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america IS the country of immigrants (everyone except native americans…)

Re: Trump sides with Musk on support for H-1B visas for foreign tech workers

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Post by arcmechanica »

breadwinner wrote: post #3

There is legit use of H-1B, which helps make America the leader in tech. Top tech companies like Google, Microsoft, Apple and Amazon would not be top tech companies without this immigration. Then there are abusers... for example back in 2016 Disney hired a bunch of H-1B workers and immediately laid off American workers, and then required those American workers to train their H-1B replacements. The abuse must be stopp…

I'd argue, that just like with inventions, software has at least 100 people working on the same thing at the same time, who gets their first is what matters. Google et al would still be the same behemoths with or without H1Bs.

Re: Trump sides with Musk on support for H-1B visas for foreign tech workers

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Post by more_corn »

bdangubic wrote: post #10
breadwinner wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Here are the folks who contributed to the "Attention is all you need" paper [1] which changed the world as we know it, and the countries they came from. I rest my case. Ashish Vaswani: India Noam Shazeer: USA Niki Parmar: India Jakob Uszkoreit: Germany Llion Jones: USA Aidan Gomez: British Canadian Lukasz Kaiser: Poland Illia Polosukhin: Ukraine [1] https://arxiv.org/abs/1706.03762

“rest your case” is too funny… this is 8 people, what about 63,992 other yearly recipients of this visa? what an compeling argument you are making (and this is former H1B-er writing here…)

The point is that major contributions to American tech supremacy come from foreigners. Scrapping the H1B program would jeopardize us tech leadership.

Those other 64k people contribute as well. If you want to argue the other side (I don’t know why you would) feel free.

Re: Trump sides with Musk on support for H-1B visas for foreign tech workers

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Post by more_corn »

like_any_other wrote: post #11
breadwinner wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Here are the folks who contributed to the "Attention is all you need" paper [1] which changed the world as we know it, and the countries they came from. I rest my case. Ashish Vaswani: India Noam Shazeer: USA Niki Parmar: India Jakob Uszkoreit: Germany Llion Jones: USA Aidan Gomez: British Canadian Lukasz Kaiser: Poland Illia Polosukhin: Ukraine [1] https://arxiv.org/abs/1706.03762

"Some foreigners are smarter than you, therefore you don't get to have a country, just an economic zone." - interesting case, let's see how many go along with it.

H1B is not about smarter foreigners it’s about “I can’t find enough locals with the particular skills I need so I need to widen the pool” Though I think Musk likes it because the current program is tied to the company so workers are effectively indentured to the sponsoring company and not free to leave to go work for another.

Re: Trump sides with Musk on support for H-1B visas for foreign tech workers

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Post by bdangubic »

more_corn wrote: post #18
bdangubic wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

“rest your case” is too funny… this is 8 people, what about 63,992 other yearly recipients of this visa? what an compeling argument you are making (and this is former H1B-er writing here…)

The point is that major contributions to American tech supremacy come from foreigners. Scrapping the H1B program would jeopardize us tech leadership. Those other 64k people contribute as well. If you want to argue the other side (I don’t know why you would) feel free.

how would you know whether or not american tech supremacy would not be the same without foreigners? of course you wouldn’t so this is silly line of argument :)

the main reason for american tech supremacy is american military budget. and also that is next 876 reasons. H1B program won’t crack top-1000

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