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I automated my job application process

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Re: I automated my job application process

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Post by swang »

cj wrote: post #262
salomon812 wrote: post #131

I'm a software manager that has been doing some form of interviewing/hiring for 13 years. I did two rounds of hiring software engineers last year, one in spring that seemed normal, and one in the fall that was was brutal. The fall hiring had a flood of applicants, and in retrospect, most seemed like AI was used in some way. For the fall round, I suddenly had a higher percentage of applicants that qualified after resu…

> I also switched to only on-site interviews. My initial technical screenings are still done remotely. Pro tip for anyone hiring engineers for remote positions: Tell the applicant that there “might be” an in person technical assessment, even if you know the process will be 100% remote. The amount of fake candidates at the moment is insane. The only thing that makes fake candidates self-select out is knowing there’s t…

i saw a tiktok where the guy had his phone propped up but not in view of his webcam, and basically the interviewer's mic was going through his phone on some llm and the llm was spitting out responses for him to reply to the soft questions his interviewer was asking. the interviewer also made him "quickly" turn on his screen sharing so he could see that his computer didn't have anything assisting him.

i haven't done an interview in a while, it's kinda crazy all the things people are pulling now for interviews on both sides. the process feels really broken.

Re: I automated my job application process

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Post by jdbdnej »

fasteddie31003 wrote: post #139

I worked on a side project that generated the AI resume and cover letter. I did a controlled experiment applying for jobs with the generic vs AI customized resume. The AI customized resume out performed the generic resume by 4x. https://customizedresumes.com/custom-vs-generic-resumes

That's like comparing your "AI customized resume" to shitting on the hiring manager's desk

You'll be shocked to find out which performed better!

Re: I automated my job application process

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Post by HarHarVeryFunny »

maccard wrote: post #164
HarHarVeryFunny wrote: post #156

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sure - that's how things are meant to work, with recruiters providing a valuable filtering service, but it does seem that many companies are now using (poor quality) AI screening, as well as a slew of abusive application practices (the ghosting. etc), and it seems any mutual respect between hiring company and candidate is disappearing. I don't know what the solution is.

My point is that that had been my experience hiring in a 10 person company and a 30k person company, and that the “suggested” AI screening isn’t happening - it’s probably that your application is the same as the other 300 applications that went in.

I haven't experienced it myself (haven't applied for a job in a long time), but there are lots of reports here on HN of people getting online applications rejected withing minutes, or late at night - definitely some companies are using software to filter resumes. This has been going on for a long time - it's not just a recent "AI" thing - resumes used to get rejected for not having the right keywords on them.

Re: I automated my job application process

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Post by throwawayq3423 »

_Algernon_ wrote: post #178
codegeek wrote: post #12

Nice. But as a hiring manager, this is the last thing we want. Flooded with auto submitted Resumes. I posted a job recently and got 100+ resumes in 2 days and 99% were not even remotely close to being a good fit. I struggled to sort through so many Resumes to find someone worth interviewing. The problem is that with so much noise, good candidates may get ignored or rejected by mistake. And the cycle continues. I get…

>But as a hiring manager, this is the last thing we want. This is just a natural response to the automatic screening methods that have been used by the hiring side for years. Finally the sides have more equal power again in this arms race started by the hiring side. Of course the consequence is that everyone loses and is worse off than if this arms race never started, but you (not you personally, hiring managers in g…

Exactly. I've referred many ex-colleagues to a specific position, their CV was perfect but an automated system rejected them so that was that. I can't even as a human being go talk to the director because the applicant status was "rejected" so their hands were tied too.

It's absurd, and only getting worse.

Re: I automated my job application process

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Post by gedy »

Aurornis wrote: post #168
salomon812 wrote: post #160

Earlier quoted context omitted.

God, I wish I could respond to denied applicants like a human, but the threat of legal action prevents me from giving good feedback. I know it sucks, but I'm not sure what to do about this, and I'm already so burnt out from the hiring process as it is, it's hard to work up the strength to do this fight as well. Not to mentioned I spend forever doing it, there's so many and I wouldn't want to do it halfway...

I tried giving honest and actionable interview feedback at first. A scary number of candidates did not take rejection well and tried to use my feedback against me. I had people trying to argue that my feedback was wrong, someone stalking me across social media and trying to argue everything there, and eventually someone who threatened to use my feedback as the basis for a discrimination lawsuit. So now we’re back to…

> So now we’re back to simple “we’re proceeding with other candidates” feedback.

Hell if companies would even do that - I've spent a lot of time (7+ hours) interviewing with some known companies including meeting with the VP of engineering and then they just stop messaging and ghost you (looking at you Glassdoor..)

Re: I automated my job application process

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Post by TSUTiger »

ramon156 wrote: post #237

Hate how this has become the job market. I finished my degree in July but was only able to find a job in November. Might not sound like a lot but it took almost 50 manual job applications, all with varying experiences. I couldn't imagine being a manager having to sift through so much garbage just to find a candidate that's worth their salt.

Roughly 15 years ago when I entered the job market, I spammed my resume to 36 roles within a single company so 50 doesn’t sound too bad.

It was a Fortune 10 company so plenty of roles and I eventually got in.

Re: I automated my job application process

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Post by jdbdnej »

Uvix wrote: post #153
karaterobot wrote: post #87

Every job I've applied to has involved me researching the company, deciding whether I understood it, was right for the role, and wanted to work for them, and then tailoring my resume and cover letter to what that role needed. In my life, I've maybe sent 25 applications, gotten 6-7 interviews, and been hired 4 times. Pretty good batting average, and I'm not by any means especially qualified or accomplished. For me, au…

How long ago did this last succeed?

The only applicants I hire are like that. If you cannot show you chose this company why would I assume you would like to work here?

Of cause this assumes you are a good fit in the first place regarding your skills. But the latter is usually much easier to filter out

Re: I automated my job application process

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Post by Teever »

throwawayq3423 wrote: post #281
kevinventullo wrote: post #276

Earlier quoted context omitted.

To be clear, you expect candidates to fly out on their own dime just for the interview?

It's more about the reaction by obvious scammers.

You're talking about the entity trying to make people spend a nontrivial sum of money, time, and effort to get a job, right?

Re: I automated my job application process

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Post by la64710 »

codegeek wrote: post #12

Nice. But as a hiring manager, this is the last thing we want. Flooded with auto submitted Resumes. I posted a job recently and got 100+ resumes in 2 days and 99% were not even remotely close to being a good fit. I struggled to sort through so many Resumes to find someone worth interviewing. The problem is that with so much noise, good candidates may get ignored or rejected by mistake. And the cycle continues. I get…

What exactly you can do as a HM to make the life of a job seeker easy? I dare say nothing except to just make the quality of response better. Even after six rounds of interviews candidates who are not selected get not a single honest useful feedback and is treated like human scrap with a soulless rejection. Beleive me as a job applicant I have zero sympathy for the corporates that hire me and I will use every thing at my disposal including AI to be more efficient in any way I deem fit. The job is just a business transaction to me and I don’t care about your high and mighty lecture as a HM. GTFO.
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