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I automated my job application process

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Post by bdangubic »

Terr_ wrote: post #208
bdangubic wrote: post #191

Earlier quoted context omitted.

it is surprising there isn’t some SaaS bullshit company that solves this problem. we have shit like Pearsons and whatnots when taking exams, I took few certification exams and it was like - install this thing that takes over my machine - 360 camera around to show my surroundings - no phone/watch/… One would think by now there’d be two Stanford grads with a SaaS shit taking care of this for $899/hr Last interview I di…

Even as we speak, scams are going on where pretend-employers are backdooring the computers of applicants that way. I fear the only applicants who would agree are also the ones who can't be trusted with any employee access to your corporate resources.

a company would run this… Not your company taking over candidate’s computer, an intermediary that candidate and potential employer are using.

candidates are already using Slack/Teams/Zoom/… now they get to use Pouixy or whatever BS name someone in SF comes up with. guarantee you this will be a thing in 2025, some stanfords are on the case

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Post by em-bee »

codegeek wrote: post #40
nsxwolf wrote: post #23

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What’s our alternative? It doesn’t seem to be “carefully consider and apply to a handful of highly relevant postings”. I don’t see the downsides for candidates to play the numbers game.

The downside is that if all candidates are thinking like you, you are now hoping that the hiring team can sort through 100s of garbage Resumes to may be find you who may be a good fit. Your odds of being called for Round 1 is now much lower due to all that noise. Doesn't matter whose fault it is. Your probability of being called for Round 1 just went down significantly and this hurts you.

that ship has sailed. companies already get 100s of applications for every job post even without candidates automating applications.

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Post by salomon812 »

johnnyanmac wrote: post #202
salomon812 wrote: post #131

I'm a software manager that has been doing some form of interviewing/hiring for 13 years. I did two rounds of hiring software engineers last year, one in spring that seemed normal, and one in the fall that was was brutal. The fall hiring had a flood of applicants, and in retrospect, most seemed like AI was used in some way. For the fall round, I suddenly had a higher percentage of applicants that qualified after resu…

>We have a full-time recruiter working with us, and I'm not 100% sure what tools he used, but I switched to manually reviewing each resume, and given that it was 100s, it took a long time, but I still had my problem of great initial screen, terrible technical interview. I think it's very scary when even manual review is still yielding you results with horrible technical screenings. I wonder at that point if your tech…

> I think it's very scary when even manual review is still yielding you results with horrible technical screenings.

It was bad. It was starting to affect my life outside of work.

> I wonder at that point if your technical review is very hard

My technical review is very hard, but it is directly applicable to the work I'm doing. And I've seen some candidates just do outstanding based entirely on their natural curiosity to look a bit deeper. I've been using a form of it for five years, so it's well reviewed.

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Post by programjames »

_blk wrote: post #37
pmarreck wrote: post #25

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Meanwhile, I am flooded with recruiter "opportunities" that are nowhere near my capabilities. There's noise all around happening. Maybe the problem is that spamming people is free.

Absolutely. I mean I remember 20y ago when someone's solution to spam was paying a small fee. Not what you want, but it's gotta be somewhere there. There has to be a cost to it, but it probably shouldn't be directly monetary. Submission delay might work.

Isn't this Musk's solution to stopping Xitter spam? Promote subscribed accounts more, so it costs money to speak.

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Post by gaws »

the_arun wrote: post #10

Is cover letter important? Do hiring managers/recruiters read those?

In most cases, they are not important. All the offers I received asked for a cover letter, and I always submitted a one-line PDF that said I would discuss my work history and why I'd like the job only in an interview.

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Post by jorts »

hbbvgn wrote: post #217
casenmgreen wrote: post #210

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Speaking as a contractor since 2017, I have given up using recruitment agencies in the UK to find work. I am likely the number one expert, in my field, globally. I apply for roles which specifically ask for an SME in my field. There is no question here of skills, and it is as certain as it can be without actually knowing that I am a light year ahead of all other applicants (because there is practically no one else ac…

Obviously your field is in no demand at all. Otherwise, why would you be searching for employment if you are #1 in it?

They’re a contractor.

Re: I automated my job application process

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Post by programjames »

_blk wrote: post #37
pmarreck wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Meanwhile, I am flooded with recruiter "opportunities" that are nowhere near my capabilities. There's noise all around happening. Maybe the problem is that spamming people is free.

Absolutely. I mean I remember 20y ago when someone's solution to spam was paying a small fee. Not what you want, but it's gotta be somewhere there. There has to be a cost to it, but it probably shouldn't be directly monetary. Submission delay might work.

Isn't a better solution to create a reputation score just for email addresses? You start out very low, and sending emails further lowers your score. However, every email that is read (and not marked spam) increases it a little more. If reputations start out just marginally above the "straight to spam" tolerance level, then spam accounts can only get out a few emails.

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Post by nitwit005 »

salomon812 wrote: post #131

I'm a software manager that has been doing some form of interviewing/hiring for 13 years. I did two rounds of hiring software engineers last year, one in spring that seemed normal, and one in the fall that was was brutal. The fall hiring had a flood of applicants, and in retrospect, most seemed like AI was used in some way. For the fall round, I suddenly had a higher percentage of applicants that qualified after resu…

I had a recruiter basically hold onto me after I passed more than one technical screen, even though I clearly did get all the way through the hiring process at either role. They were maintaining a pool of competent people.

Re: I automated my job application process

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Post by programjames »

thedougd wrote: post #43
codegeek wrote: post #12

Nice. But as a hiring manager, this is the last thing we want. Flooded with auto submitted Resumes. I posted a job recently and got 100+ resumes in 2 days and 99% were not even remotely close to being a good fit. I struggled to sort through so many Resumes to find someone worth interviewing. The problem is that with so much noise, good candidates may get ignored or rejected by mistake. And the cycle continues. I get…

I'm at a point where I'm almost willing to ignore the first few days of applicants. They're all spray and pray junk. A week or two in and the applicant quality is significantly better.

Ah, now I know to do my spray and pray on week-old job listings ;)
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