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Re: Ask HN: Are you unable to find employment?

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Low pay offers. In Montreal there are plenty of offers paying ~90k CAD/year ( 62k USD/year ) for 15+ years of experience. There are lot of job listings in Montreal, and those positions are real. Problem is that the pay makes those positions undesirable. The second problem is that no one hires junior developers. My friend's kid finishing CS studies in May 2025 and prospect for jobs are not good.

I think this is an important factor. Developer salaries have been bimodal or trimodal [1]. I have really good former colleagues who have difficulty finding jobs, but they are looking for 120k+ USD/Euro jobs (remote, outside SV). I also have friends owning companies, having difficulty filling positions, but they are in the 50k-70k USD/Euro range.

It seems like the difficulty of finding a job is in the second mode. But the people who had jobs in that mode are hesitant to apply in jobs corresponding to the first mode, not only because the pay gap is substantial, but it can also be bad for one's resume and perhaps less satisfying intellectually.

[1] https://blog.pragmaticengineer.com/software-engineering-sala...

Re: Ask HN: Are you unable to find employment?

#123
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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I've been at the receiving end of ageism, and what i now do is drop off some of the older experience(s) from my resume, etc. Also, i try to avoid listing my graduation year from university. Some people suggest even if not fighting off ageism, its only relevant to list the last decade of experience on a resume anyway...so if i ever get questioned, i'd use that as an excuse...but, my strategy is simply to get my foot i…

I'm in my early 40s and struggle at times because although my hair is black, my beard is entirely silver, which (I think) adds 10+ years to me. And while I'm at the IC5/6 level in Product, I still worry about it, and think if I had to find a new job, sorry, fiancée who loves my beard, it has to go, or I think I'm going to have a hard time.

Sorry if this is a stupid question, but did you consider dyeing your beard a different colour?

Re: Ask HN: Are you unable to find employment?

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Why, exactly? These companies have foreign customers, it seems reasonable to expect that they would also want to have foreign employees that can speak the language, work in the same time zone, etc. And the demand for those employees is unlikely to be perfectly commensurate with demand for US based employees at all times. Seems like a ban would be pretty destructive, even if some of this hiring is an attempt at offsho…

If such a ban is in power, many companies will either close or move abroad. It's as simple as that. I agree, it will be totally destructive.

Re: Ask HN: Are you unable to find employment?

#125
So, I must ask for definitions. I found late 2023 and early 2024 very difficult for finding employment (I work as a freelance/consultant/temp programmer), whereas both early 2023 and late 2024 I did get some significant amount.

I know others who are white males like me, and they also found late 2023 and early 2024 to be more challenging than lately.

I should also mention that as a young man I would apply for any job in my chosen field, whereas now I look for jobs that are not just programming, but the kind of programming I wish to do (for example, in my particular case I don't like front-end and I like machine learning but am turned off by what looks like AI-hype in company descriptions). So, am I finding it harder because I am pickier? Or is it actually harder because my standards are higher, because I am fortunate enough that I can (for now, anyway) afford to be picky?

In any case, I found late 2024 to be better than the 12 months before that.

Re: Ask HN: Are you unable to find employment?

#126

While I have been self-employed for a few decades, I do see and hear about what's happening out there. I have many friends who have had challenges and others who are afraid to leave their jobs, even when paid well under what they are worth. One of them finally gave up and took a job in the oil fields in New Mexico. This, after sending hundreds of applications and enduring a few 5 to 7 stage interviews, only to be tol…

I somewhat disagree with you about CS degrees. Though my data points are a bit dated. (And a couple academic CS acquaintances feel that there's are department level declines.)

But the standard curriculum I'm familiar with always includes courses where you need to use C, or similar low level languages, to write an OS, compilers, networking stack, etc. And at least one course focused on a system language as a pre-req for those. The push for more practical coursework I think is perceived to have come from industry, which generally would rather have someone who can string some python packages together to do something quickly than someone who's never touched python but can write a compiler or OS from scratch.

That said, I do think it seems like ML topics should fit into standard coursework (wasn't really a thing when I was in school - AI was maybe an occasional elective or grad topic). It seems pretty adjacent to parallel and distributed computing (don't remember if that was optional or required) and statistics, which was not precisely part of CS curriculum, but occasionally discrete math/algo/grammar track adjacent in practice.

But I have trouble seeing how that could fit into 3 years. It's hard to parallelize the intro series of courses that build up to the "fan out" to he higher level courses/reqs, (though maybe stats/ML intro could fit early) and once you hit the fan out, 3 courses take about 80/hrs a week for most of a semester. IMO if you're wanting foundational knowledge and not the "patch Python packages together" it's hard to compress.

One thing that is happening is non-CS degrees with weaker requirements to get to people skills, like BAs in technology and computing, that focus much more lightly on CS and just have a solid amount of "practical" coursework, e.g. "here's how to use the most common Python ML libraries and Django, BTW this would be a great thing to double major in with Bio."

Re: Ask HN: Are you unable to find employment?

#128
Think it's a confluence of a couple separate things:

* End of ZIRP

* Musk's twitter firing spree being watched & emulated by others. i.e. there was rest & vest happening & execs realised some fat can be cut

* Bootcamp generation has moved beyond entry level and is now competing with more established players

* Entire thing just naturally goes in waves

* More fractured/specialised field. Language/Framework/Job description feels like things are more granularly sliced these days

* AI whether real or illusionary has some execs focused on things other than "lets hire humans"

Re: Ask HN: Are you unable to find employment?

#129

I've been out of a job for most of the past year. While sending Merry Christmas texts to my friends, I had a conversation with one (another programmer, different technologies and industry) where he revealed he was laid off last month. I keep applying for jobs, and recently accepted the possibility to relocate for an on site position (because staying where I am and hoping to get a remote position hasn't worked out). I…

If you aren't doing AI or crypto, it feels that you're fighting over bones.

Getting jobs in AI has also been hard for a lot of people as well. Many of my former colleagues who worked for a very visible company in the ML/NLP space have had issues finding good positions.

Re: Ask HN: Are you unable to find employment?

#130
I think your categories ('white male', 'Indian', ...) are a form of racism already. I mean, there are other categories you can use. Outsourcing, offshoring, and nearshoring all describe something similar (cutting costs by replacing the workforce) but do not categorize humans based on racial factors.

I understand this is not the core of your question, but I did not want to leave it uncommented because I think it is inappropriate.

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