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Re: Bench accounting services shutting down

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I don't know much about accounting, but isn't shutting down an accounting service three days before the end of the year a huge slap in the face if the clients of the service, maybe even fraudulent? And if it is, is it really normal in this sector and "part of the deal" of working with startups?

Running discount promotions on annual plan up until recently is also rather sus.

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Re: Bench accounting services shutting down

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Sorry but is there some source about this for a lame person?

I’m a CFO and was a layperson on this until I started having to deal with it. I don’t have any resources other than my work experience with a few companies that have debt covenants. First, they can be rather arbitrary as they’re literally made up for each deal and meant to align somewhat to the growth story that’s being “sold” to the lender during the debt issuance; they’re negotiated between lender/borrower so take…

Thanks for such a nice explanation!

Re: Bench accounting services shutting down

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Not sure if sarcasm, but in case it is not: in theory accountants could see this coming but most benchmates were junior book keepers, with no visibility into their employer's financials.

If I can't see the books I move on. The only reason people hide books is because they are bad. You can't expect a bunch of mushrooms to help you grow a company. Employees deserve to keep tabs on the financial health of the company. Last company I was at was an ESOP. Talk about a scam. They are under no obligation to let employees monitor the health of their "retirement plan." It's a tax shelter for business owners wh…

> If I can't see the books I move on

Are you saying that as a software developer, or you work with other things?

Re: Bench accounting services shutting down

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It seems unlikely they didn't know they were going down until just a few days before having to shut down services. And given that this happens during the holidays, ot wouldn't surprise me if some customers don't find out about this until after the window to extract your data has expired. Or people have to work on fixing this mess who were supposed to be on PTO.

It is irony of all ironies that an accounting services company would be surprised about their own insolvency. In reality, they had to have known for months. The director were probably just holding out for a Hail Mary funding injection. This is bad bad business, especially for a financial services company.

The investors aren't going to let you burn all the cash just because. They want out now with whatever is left so they can flip the coin to the next bet.

Re: Bench accounting services shutting down

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Interesting that they didn’t even consider doing an “AI pivot”

They had been slapping on a bunch of "AI" tools this year, all of which required me to manually converse with the AI to categorize transactions. I was wondering what I was even paying Bench for with how much manual work I had to do each month i.r.t. to my books.

Re: Bench accounting services shutting down

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hmmm another "unicorn" from vancouver that bites the dust, i remember one with an owl as mascot logo can't recall what they did or their names but many ppl from vancouver mentioned it while ago. I wonder why that place can't compete with American cities, i think even Toronto /Montreal is more successful than Vancouver. for one the low salary must be demoralizing on top of being one of the most expensive cities in the…

> seems like nobody can really compete with America when it comes to creating IPOs and billionaires.

This is another way of saying American tech VCs throw a lot of money around, often into poor investments, in the hope of cornering the market on $nextBigThing. In a world where any Tom, Dick and Harry can run up massive losses and still IPO through an SPAC, how is that an indicator of anything good?

Re: Bench accounting services shutting down

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I’m a CFO and was a layperson on this until I started having to deal with it. I don’t have any resources other than my work experience with a few companies that have debt covenants. First, they can be rather arbitrary as they’re literally made up for each deal and meant to align somewhat to the growth story that’s being “sold” to the lender during the debt issuance; they’re negotiated between lender/borrower so take…

Thanks for such a nice explanation!

One standardized metric used as a covenant is the debt service coverage ratio, especially for commercial real estate. The lender gets to monitor business performance in almost real time, and if it goes below what the borrower agreed to, they can force a renegotiation of terms or call the loan.

https://www.investopedia.com/terms/d/dscr.asp

Re: Bench accounting services shutting down

#358

I can’t imagine the frustration you’re going through if you’re a Bench user. Paying for a service and not getting what you expect, especially when it comes to your taxes is no joke. Instead of having to start from scratch, our team at Kick is moved quickly to build these resources to help prior Bench customers: 1. Free Bench migration 2. Free 2024 Bookkeeping review calls 3. Free Daily Live Q&As (coming soon) We’re m…

While you have documentation about migrating to your platform, you don't seem to have any documented promises around export and leaving your service.

Also, it seems a bit odd to me that the "balance sheet" ability is two non-free pricing levels deep into your service. Isn't that a baseline expectation?

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Genuine question: why did you raise $100 million Series C for a bookkeeping company? I'm a Pilot customer, and my heart dropped when I saw your funding announcement on the homepage a while back.

It's a fairly capital-intensive business. Here's my best articulation of specifically what makes it hard: https://waseem.substack.com/p/tech-enabled-services

The disconnect you have with me (your customer) is that I don’t want or need a “tech enabled service”.

I just want the service.

Sometimes being a Pilot customer feels like I’m being experimented on. Instead of humans reliably doing our books, now I need to hire a fractional CFO (which you conveniently also provide) to double check your work.

We find errors in our Pilot books at a staggering rate. Things that would never be missed if we just had a human bookkeeper.

The value prop for a “tech enabled service” from a customers perspective is non-existent. It’s not cheaper for the customer (I pay you over $25k/yr for doing very little), the quality isn’t any better, and as we see with Bench (who also raised $100 million) there’s incredible risk in relying on it as a business critical service.

Anyone reading this, just please go hire a human bookkeeper. Don’t believe the marketing spin pitched by these tech enabled services companies.

Re: Bench accounting services shutting down

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always so annoying to find bookkeepers at a fair price. In particular, charging on expenses or on transaction volume isn't aligned with value generated. Instead, bookkeepers should charge on "anomalous transactions identified and corrected" https://www.ledgerup.ai/ (a YC co) has a bookkeeping agent integrated with quickbooks. I've migrated to them after trying Fondo (also a YC co) and a local SMB bookkeeper in the pa…

If bookkeepers and able to collect an “unfair” price, then why are there no publicly listed bookkeeping businesses putting up large profit margins?
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