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Where can you go in Europe by train in 8h?

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Re: Where can you go in Europe by train in 8h?

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If you now could just book a train between these cities on a common european platform (or local transportation provider...)... one could dream... just booking a train and getting a quote crossing multiple borders (without interrail) is just a nightmare :(

Given that the majority of the railway companies are state owned one could think that integrating them would be a easy thing for the EU to do.

Re: Where can you go in Europe by train in 8h?

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About 20 years ago, I visited most of Europe’s major cities over the course of a two-month trip, traveling primarily by night train. Each overnight ride saved me the cost of a hostel or guesthouse, and I’d arrive in a new city each morning feeling refreshed because of the train’s sleeping accommodations. There used to be a similar service between Toronto and Montreal (both directions), where the train would pause for…

The state railways have large exited night trains as a form of transport, due to economics, although it’s a much more sustainable form of transportation compared to aviation. Since Europe has a liberalized market in the rail sector, some startups are trying to fill the gap. European sleeper operates a night train on the route Brussel-Amsterdam-Berlin-Prague, using old rented rolling stock. I’m involved with Luna Rail…

>> a much more sustainable form of transportation compared to aviation.

Night trains are not like normal trains. They carry far fewer passengers per car. That doesn't make them as bad as flying on pure CO2 emissions, but night trains are not as efficient as "trains" generally. They are more comparable to luxury busses. But ... if the other option is an electric car, or even an electric aircraft, then even an electric night trains will likely no longer win on CO2 emissions.

Re: Where can you go in Europe by train in 8h?

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About 20 years ago, I visited most of Europe’s major cities over the course of a two-month trip, traveling primarily by night train. Each overnight ride saved me the cost of a hostel or guesthouse, and I’d arrive in a new city each morning feeling refreshed because of the train’s sleeping accommodations. There used to be a similar service between Toronto and Montreal (both directions), where the train would pause for…

I would travel more around the USA if we had a decedent high-speed rail system. Spent too much time flying, red-eyes, and driving for work, 7-12+ hours one way, and hate those modes of transportation. They may get you from point A to B but your time is wasted along with the enjoyment of the trip.

Unfortunately the Oil industry won over the politicians in the USA with donations, legal bribes, and they prevent the building of quality train travel. Bet that if majority of the USA left and spent time in countries with quality rail system, they attitudes would change dramatically and push for better. They would experience how much time they waste in traffic and queuing for boarding and de-bordering.

Re: Where can you go in Europe by train in 8h?

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Doesn't trainline support some of Europe now?

Trainline support most of the Europe. Used it from Poland to Portugal, not much of a hassle. It does miss some regional train tickets which could be found on local platforms but major lines are covered fine.

Wow, that's some voyage. How was it?

Re: Where can you go in Europe by train in 8h?

#115

Is this actual train journeys, including time traversing stations, or is it concatenated journey times? I think it might be the former, as Bristol to Paris was 4h40, Bristol to Reims was 5h52, but Paris to Reims was 46 mins. Similarly, Brussels to Cologne/Koln 1h48, Brussels to Berlin 6h05, but Berlin to Koln 4h02. Not much different, but still enough to pique my curiosity. FWIW the city straplines/blurbs were in Eng…

I notice if you look at Madrid it includes all of Spain and none of Portugal, and similarly from Lisbon. I assume this is because the schedules don't line up, because it wouldn't really make sense in terms of physical distance.

There are hardly any connecting trains between both countries.

The connection to Vigo happens a few times a day, with regional trains, and to Madrid it is at most twice a day, if it runs.

Then the regular CP strikes, delays and canceled trains.

It isn't by chance that most families have cars, if we rely on trains and bus alone, better have enough time for travelling by land.

Re: Where can you go in Europe by train in 8h?

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Whenever I checked, trains from north Germany to Austria and back were always significantly cheaper on the ÖBB site. It was bizarre.

It's just price differentiation in action. A Polish ticket for the same train can be a third of the price of an Austrian ticket. People are rightfully pissed when this happens to them online, yet they seem to accept it for trains. I don't understand it.

Really? When traveling from Poland to Germany, it's cheaper to buy a ticket from DB.

Re: Where can you go in Europe by train in 8h?

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's just price differentiation in action. A Polish ticket for the same train can be a third of the price of an Austrian ticket. People are rightfully pissed when this happens to them online, yet they seem to accept it for trains. I don't understand it.

Strange, I don't usually hear Austrians complain when they get paid 3x for the same job a person does in Poland.

Austrians moving to Poland doing any specific job will pe paid exactly the same as the Polish. Similarly a Pole working a job in Austria is paid the same as an Austrian doing the same job.

The fact that there might be a wage difference between different countries might be interesting, but it us utterly irrelevant to the fact that there is a price difference between tickets sold for the exact same train. Not an Austrian vs. a Polish train -- literally the same actual train with the same finite, exact seats for sale.

Re: Where can you go in Europe by train in 8h?

#118
post #62

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's just price differentiation in action. A Polish ticket for the same train can be a third of the price of an Austrian ticket. People are rightfully pissed when this happens to them online, yet they seem to accept it for trains. I don't understand it.

Really? When traveling from Poland to Germany, it's cheaper to buy a ticket from DB.

I suppose it varies from case to case. I've only done AustriaPoland, with tickets bought from AT/CZ/PL.

Re: Where can you go in Europe by train in 8h?

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

The state railways have large exited night trains as a form of transport, due to economics, although it’s a much more sustainable form of transportation compared to aviation. Since Europe has a liberalized market in the rail sector, some startups are trying to fill the gap. European sleeper operates a night train on the route Brussel-Amsterdam-Berlin-Prague, using old rented rolling stock. I’m involved with Luna Rail…

>> a much more sustainable form of transportation compared to aviation. Night trains are not like normal trains. They carry far fewer passengers per car. That doesn't make them as bad as flying on pure CO2 emissions, but night trains are not as efficient as "trains" generally. They are more comparable to luxury busses. But ... if the other option is an electric car, or even an electric aircraft, then even an electric…

> night trains will likely no longer win on CO2 emissions.

The comparison is more complicated though isn’t it? It isn’t a comparison with a plane, it’s a variable comparison with a plane, a taxi, and a hotel etc.

Re: Where can you go in Europe by train in 8h?

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Waiting for the snarky comments about the Dutch NS so I don’t have to make them :)

Even the worst European system looks good compared to New Zealand. We just started a 32 day closure of all train lines in Auckland, the first of 96 planned for the year. They aren’t far off needing press releases for when trains a running.

https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/537619/auckland-rail-shu...

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