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They have not been trained for this
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#12I just donated 133,7€ and will gladly do it again if further legal costs arise. Please consider also making a generous donation and post about it in this thread. What Newag is doing here is absolutely vile. They want to charge 20.000€ per train to “reactivate” them after they have been serviced at third party workshops. We must not let them win and set a precedent. I highly encourage everyone to watch the previous pr…
At 20k euros, would it not just be cheaper to hire some software people to jailbreak them?
If companies that did this got jailbroken and blacklisted by the government, pretty much nobody would try this bullshit.
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#13The CCC are heroes and should be celebrated as such.
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#14Is no one suing the manufacturer for vandalizing the trains?
> It was also revealed that the Polish Internal Security Agency (ABW) had, in October 2022, submitted a case against Newag regarding the abovementioned software manipulation incidents to the prosecutor's office in Nowy Sącz, which initially downplayed the incident until said findings publicly came to light, after which, the investigation was taken over by the regional prosecutor's office in Kraków on suspicion of cri…
The latest update I found is [0] but there aren't any substantial updates about the criminal part of the affair.
https://kolejowyportal.pl/dragon-sector-newag-wprowadza-opin...
Re: They have not been trained for this
#15I just donated 133,7€ and will gladly do it again if further legal costs arise. Please consider also making a generous donation and post about it in this thread. What Newag is doing here is absolutely vile. They want to charge 20.000€ per train to “reactivate” them after they have been serviced at third party workshops. We must not let them win and set a precedent. I highly encourage everyone to watch the previous pr…
At 20k euros, would it not just be cheaper to hire some software people to jailbreak them? If companies that did this got jailbroken and blacklisted by the government, pretty much nobody would try this bullshit.
This ("software people to jailbreak them") is exactly the identity of the hackers who have been sued
Re: They have not been trained for this
#16I just donated 133,7€ and will gladly do it again if further legal costs arise. Please consider also making a generous donation and post about it in this thread. What Newag is doing here is absolutely vile. They want to charge 20.000€ per train to “reactivate” them after they have been serviced at third party workshops. We must not let them win and set a precedent. I highly encourage everyone to watch the previous pr…
At 20k euros, would it not just be cheaper to hire some software people to jailbreak them? If companies that did this got jailbroken and blacklisted by the government, pretty much nobody would try this bullshit.
That’s pretty much what happened and how this story came about
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#17Looks like train manufacturers are taking a page out of the playbooks of many other companies today. The practice of manufacturers remotely disabling products after the time of purchase (for whatever reason) is becoming a scourge in many other product areas. The device's manufacturer should have no say about how a product is used once money is handed over in exchange for it. This really has to stop. Regulatory agenci…
Copyright is the root of the problem. More regulation could be a solution, sure, but is it really what we want?
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#18Looks like train manufacturers are taking a page out of the playbooks of many other companies today. The practice of manufacturers remotely disabling products after the time of purchase (for whatever reason) is becoming a scourge in many other product areas. The device's manufacturer should have no say about how a product is used once money is handed over in exchange for it. This really has to stop. Regulatory agenci…
Copyright is the root of the problem. More regulation could be a solution, sure, but is it really what we want?
I have no problem with some wide ranging law about right to repair.
If that's regulation, yes please.
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#19What happened to the old moral rule of "if you explain to your mom what you are doing and she is dismayed, you are doing things wrong"?
Because what Newag is doing very clearly violates it.
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#20The CCC are heroes and should be celebrated as such.
Not sure I'd go that far, though their efforts on matters like these are certainly appreciated.